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:*Interestingly, both of these articles, which seemingly senior experienced User:Grutness, and admin at that, was able to dig out, are created by same editor, User:Calapez, and both of the articles stand there without single references, and both in a way describing and following obvious separatists political pattern in contested areas, both in real world and on Wikipedia, and both have nothing in common, not even remotely, with case of Republika Srpska regional association, which is vital part of Bosnian association and not separate and/or separatist (for now at least) - oh, wait, there is one source in both of these and in article on Republika Srpska, self-published, by mysterious "Non-FIFA News agency" at non-fifa-news-agency.netau.net, archived at Wayback machine for 2009 than moved to blogger.com for 2012, and defunct ever since.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">^{'''''99°'''''}</span>]] 07:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

::* I could name a dozen more such articles, by several different editors, many of them well sourced. I'd suggest looking at the articles for the national football teams of Tibet, the Isle of Wight, Zanzibar, Sapmi, Occitania, Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Trnasnistria,Zanzibar, Somaliland, Kárpátalja, Tamil Eelam, Panjab, Székely Land, Cascadia, and Matabeleland, to name just a few. And it's a tenet of Wikipedian editing not to bring either an editor's experience or lack of it into consideration when discussing an editor's opinions or !votes. In any case, if you look closely, I'm agreeing with you as far as deletion is concerned, so there is no need for such back-handed personal attacks - if there ever is. And given your history of arguments involving articles related to Srpska, I would suggest that throwing stones from a glass house is not a good idea in any case. As for Calapez, that editor has created many football-related articles, and did ''not'' create all the articles I mentioned. I further note the [[WP:POINT|pointy]] prods you added to the articles, all of which were quickly removed by other editors. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 05:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

:::*I actually noticed that you are agreeing with me concerning issue, and looking at your last reply the strange feeling overwhelms me that you somewhat misread the way I addressed you as "seemingly senior experienced User, and admin at that", and so on; - to call it "personal attack" is a bit far-fetched - it was intended to point on seriousness of this case and its broader context, which is, I (and probably some others) believe, contentious if not outright and completely against most basic project rules and guidelines. However, now I am compelled to respond, nevertheless. I know you can recite team after team, it doesn't mean that you should, because vast majority shouldn't be there at all to begin with, but also because they can't be related in significant way with a specific case - I checked entire [[:Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA]] my self, and although few are reasonably notable but mostly unverifiable and poorly or not sourced at all, it's filled with "well sourced" articles on "national", and of lately "official" (which is clever little WP:MASK for notability), teams of every region and locality imaginable, especially where separatist politics takes significant role, and similar feelings are mirrored on the project. But, that cherry-picking doesn't make any more comparable such cases of Tibet and Northern Cyprus with Srpska or Gozo for that matter. Great that you checked my history of "arguments" involving Srpska, '''only you should immediately point to those which you find problematic, and also significant for my arguments here'''. Yes, I proded those "national" teams like ''Gozo national team'' and such "notable" European football institutes, I wonder on what grounds they intend to keep those articles, and yes, someone removed prod, such as a step in a procedure. But, how you know that they are "pointy", anyway.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">^{'''''99°'''''}</span>]] 11:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

* '''Question aside''', if kept is the word "official" needed? Please react on [[Talk:Republika Srpska official football team]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)