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Hi all, I've created a new user warning template, [[Template:Uw-usertalk]] for when people use their talk page for non-talk-page things. It's based on one of [[User:Drm310]]'s warnings. Feedback welcome and appreciated. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 00:47, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

:I just made a new one: [[Draft:Template:Uw-usertalk-hard]]. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:38D0:E70:E035:3A99:925F:549E|2600:1702:38D0:E70:E035:3A99:925F:549E]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:38D0:E70:E035:3A99:925F:549E|talk]]) 16:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

== Requested move 4 September 2019 ==

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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''

The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> <span style="border:1px solid #7f0063;padding:1px;"> [[User:Samee|<span style="color:#fff;background:#911175;">&nbsp;'''samee'''&nbsp;</span>]][[User talk:Samee|<span style="color:#fff;background:#a85796;">&nbsp;''converse''&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 18:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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* [[:Template:Uw-uhblock-double]] → {{no redirect|Template:Uw-uhblock-i}}

* [[:Template:Uw-ublock-double]] → {{no redirect|Template:Uw-ublock-i}}

The suffix -double doesn't look like an impersonation block. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:38D0:E70:8C6E:1B6A:E130:6B45|2600:1702:38D0:E70:8C6E:1B6A:E130:6B45]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:38D0:E70:8C6E:1B6A:E130:6B45|talk]]) 11:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

* {{tq|'''double''', ''noun'', a duplicate or counterpart; something exactly or closely resembling another.}} '''Oppose''' proposed names. I don't see how "-i" is an improvement since its meaning won't be clear from the template name alone. Should any change be necessary it would be better to use "-impersonate" in full or another synonym such as "-mimic", "-clone", "-fake" etc. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section.''<!-- Template:RM bottom --></div>

== [[Template:Uw-3rr|Uw-3rr]] ==

@{{User link|Mathglot}} Thank you for {{Diff2 |915290513 |your recent contribution }} to [[Template:Uw-3rr]] to remove some arguably unnecessary wording.

Could you explain the rationale in your edit summary:

{{Talk quote inline |[[WP:BRD]] doesn't show "how to reach consensus", but only how to avoid edit warring }}, as this differs from my interpretation of [[WP:BRD]]. [[User:Lmatt|Lmatt]] ([[User talk:Lmatt|talk]]) 18:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

: As one example: discussions at [[WP:DR]] are better placed to discuss "how to reach consensus". BRD doesn't say anything about how to actually achieve it, like DR or 3O do, it only seeks to prevent disruption by avoiding the rabbit hole of [[WP:EW|edit-warring]], which inhibits progress towards [[WP:CONS|consensus]]. That said, the burden of proof on added material is on the person who added it; so rather than explaining the rationale for restoring the earlier version, really you should try to elucidate why those words are appropriate and should be added to this warning based on the guideline, and seek support from other editors for this change. Perhaps they will agree with you. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 18:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

:: @{{User link|Mathglot}} I think I understand. So although BRD does show "how to reach consensus" in situations such as edit warring, the wording you removed: {{Talk quote inline |"for a guide on how to reach consensus" }} suggests BRD ''should'' be used to reach a consensus when in fact it is only an ''optional'' method. [[User:Lmatt|Lmatt]] ([[User talk:Lmatt|talk]]) 19:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

::: That's closer to my view (and I speak only for myself), but rather than "an ''optional'' method" to ''reach'' consensus, I view it as a ''recommended'' method [it is a [[WP:PG|guideline]], after all] for ''avoiding obstacles'' in the path of reaching consensus by other means (such as DR). That's my two cents. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 19:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

:::: @{{User link|Mathglot}} Does [[WP:BRD]] not state it is an "explanatory supplement" and "not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines"? [[User:Lmatt|Lmatt]] ([[User talk:Lmatt|talk]]) 20:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

::::: You're right, it does. It even goes further than that, and says it is ''not'' a guideline because it hasn't been "thoroughly vetted by the community." I'm pretty sure it has higher acceptance than an [[WP:ESSAY]], but less than a [[WP:PG|policy or guideline]], I guess, but now we're getting into a gray area I'm not too familiar with. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 21:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)