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Currently this template directs users to the helpdesk, but as far as I can tell, the users who will see this template are almost always new, in which case direction to the teahouse would be better. --[[User:Moonythedwarf|MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.)]] ([[User talk:Moonythedwarf|talk]]) 16:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

:Welcome templates, like [[Template:Welcome]], which are regularly used in combination with user warnings for new users who have not been previously welcomed, already direct new users to the Teahouse. I would prefer to see the user warning template left with the more generic link to the help desk. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 17:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

== blank edit requests ==

I see this nearly every day, a user files an edit request on a talk page but don't enter any actual proposed change. They are often replied to at the page in question, but just as often the request is simply removed. Seems like we could have a template to drop on their talk page explaining how to properly make edit requests, but if there is one I'm not seeing it. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 00:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Beeblebrox}}, interesting, [[Special:AbuseFilter/987]] is supposed to be warning people about empty edit requests to prevent them from happening in the first place. No objection to slapping together a warning, but it also might be worth changing that filter to disallow...will bring it up on EF/N. ^{<small>[[User:Creffpublic|creffpublic]]</small>} <sub style="margin-left:-8ex"><small>a [[User:Creffett|creffett]] franchise</small></sub> ([[User_talk:Creffett|talk to the boss]]) 15:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

::So the filter is catching people doing that, but according to the logs, about one editor a day ignores the warning and publishes anyway. Opened a discussion [[Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard#Change_987_to_disallow%3F|here]] about changing the filter from warn to disallow. ^{<small>[[User:Creffpublic|creffpublic]]</small>} <sub style="margin-left:-8ex"><small>a [[User:Creffett|creffett]] franchise</small></sub> ([[User_talk:Creffett|talk to the boss]]) 15:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

:There's the {{tl|empty edit request}} template, although it doesn't seem very informative to me. [[User:Edible Melon|Edible Melon]] ([[User talk:Edible Melon|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Edible Melon|contribs]] '''·''' [[Special:Block/Edible Melon|block user]]) 07:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

== uw-coi category expiral ==

The template {{tl|uw-coi}} seems to add the user to the category {{cl|User talk pages with conflict of interest notices}} and to include a comment that claims that the category should be removed if the user is blocked or the message remains for a while. It also seems to try to limit the category inclusion to 5 months via #ifexpr with timestamp subtraction. However, it doesn't seem to work. The "Null edit" section at [[WP:Purge]] claims that "All other purge methods do not apply to categorisation and "what links here" changes from template edits, but a null edit does". I tested things on a few pages in that category, and it seems like the only method that makes the category disappear ''is'' a null edit. What should be done? The finest solutions I can imagine is [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Null edit bot|this declined bot]] or [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Joe's Null Bot|this now-broken bot]] or a new bot. [[User:Edible Melon|Edible Melon]] ([[User talk:Edible Melon|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Edible Melon|contribs]] '''·''' [[Special:Block/Edible Melon|block user]]) 07:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Edible Melon}}, I actually have a BRFA open for a similar task ([[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Creffbot]]) that takes the more brute-force approach of just removing the category from the (substituted) template instead of doing a null edit. ^{<small>[[User:Creffpublic|creffpublic]]</small>} <sub style="margin-left:-8ex"><small>a [[User:Creffett|creffett]] franchise</small></sub> ([[User_talk:Creffett|talk to the boss]]) 14:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

::I think the templates {{tl|uw-coi-username}} and {{tl|uw-username}} (and other such templates) can be rewritten so that category removal only takes a null edit, possibly extracting a template for timestamp comparison. [[User:Edible Melon|Edible Melon]] ([[User talk:Edible Melon|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Edible Melon|contribs]] '''·''' [[Special:Block/Edible Melon|block user]]) 01:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)