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Kjetil B Halvorsen 13:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kjetil1001|Kjetil1001]] ([[User talk:Kjetil1001|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kjetil1001|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==The kind of question this article should answer==

Suppose I have a module that I wanted to release under the GPL, and I wouldn't want to hand over the copyright to someone else or something similar (like SourceForge), and it wouldn't be appropriate for limited scope websites or websites with per-project approval regimes (like Savannah), where do I go? Isn't answering questions like that that the whole point of this article? [[User:Gerbrant|Shinobu]] ([[User talk:Gerbrant|talk]]) 13:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

: Yes, that sounds like something that people reading this article would want to know.

: So I added a sentence at the start of this article stating that every one of the sites listed here -- including SourceForge -- you retain copyright of all the code you write.

: Does that answer that question?

: Today the Sourceforge [http://slashdotmedia.com/terms-of-use/ "terms of use"] says "PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF ANY COPYRIGHTS, ... IN ANY CONTENT YOU SUBMIT."

: May I ask why [[User:Gerbrant|Shinobu]] thought a writer might need to hand over the copyright to someone else at SourceForge or any other site? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 15:32, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

== Berlios effectively closing ==

"The reorientation and associated closure of the highly frequented development platform for April, 30th 2014 makes it necessary to migrate the on berliOS hosted projects to other platforms." http://developer.berlios.de/forum/forum.php?forum_id=39220 [[User:MarkMLl|MarkMLl]] ([[User talk:MarkMLl|talk]]) 13:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

== Bogus 'prominent' emulator projects ==

Someone seems to have added a bunch of non-prominent emulators to the list of prominent projects. The lists must therefore be considered a complete subjective fantasy. Someone should at least make an effort to find some top-ranked projects (#downloads, pagerank, etc.) instead of just putting their favorites in here. I write this as the author of a 'prominent' emulator project which is !LOL! not prominent. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.115.137.86|70.115.137.86]] ([[User talk:70.115.137.86|talk]]) 09:42, 23 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Github blocked in Russia and India ==

According to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub#Popularity Github] article, Github has been blocked in India and Russia. Unless the block has now been removed, the article/references should be updated to reflect this. [[User:GoBusto|GoBusto]] ([[User talk:GoBusto|talk]]) 08:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== No mainframe tools? ==

There do not appear to be any mainframe products here. Is source code storage/control only relevant on LUW? [[User:DEddy|DEddy]] ([[User talk:DEddy|talk]]) 18:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== General Overview add programming language? ==

In the general overview I would like to add a column Programming Language / Language written in (naming?) This is especially useful in-case of open-source projects e.g. when you want to contribute or setup your own instance, etc.

However to keep the colum numbers small I would like to move Manager in Name, ie:

{| style="text-align: center; width: auto" class="wikitable sortable"

|-

! Name (Manager)

! Established

! Notes

! Countries blocked

! Programming Language

! Runs on all [[free software]]

! Ad-free

|-

! [[Alioth (Debian)|Alioth]] (Debian Project)

| 2003

| Preference for [[Debian]] related projects

|

| PHP

|{{yes}}

|{{yes}}

|}

Thoughts?

[[User:Wikiinger|Wikiinger]] ([[User talk:Wikiinger|talk]]) 01:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:For me the language in which the webservice is programmed in is not importand enought to include it in this table. --[[User:Txt.file|Txt.file]] ([[User talk:Txt.file|talk]]) 11:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes [[User:ShalokShalom|ShalokShalom]] ([[User talk:ShalokShalom|talk]]) 13:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

== Robots.txt protocols ==

add to the table somewhere about some kind of general or unique robots/crawlers operation? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.67.177.42|50.67.177.42]] ([[User talk:50.67.177.42|talk]]) 19:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Why is this called "Comparison of open-source software hosting facilities"? ==

Actually this is a list about various source control version hosting facilities. Neither do they all run on open-source software nor are they exclusive to open-source software. So I don't see why there is an "open-source" in title? [[User:Wikiinger|Wikiinger]] ([[User talk:Wikiinger|talk]]) 00:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

: [x] Done [[User:Wikiinger|Wikiinger]] ([[User talk:Wikiinger|talk]]) 14:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

: Actually the 'software' in "Comparison of source code software hosting facilities" is also superfluously, since:

# this list doesn't relate to software, but to hosting facilities,

# the hosting cannot be only used for software source code, but for any kind of (source) code, e.g. web pages.

: [[User:Wikiinger|Wikiinger]] ([[User talk:Wikiinger|talk]]) 23:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

: [x] Fixed [[User:Wikiinger|Wikiinger]] ([[User talk:Wikiinger|talk]]) 00:06, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== Please start Comparison of collaborative development environments ==

. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.245.53.33|94.245.53.33]] ([[User talk:94.245.53.33|talk]]) 04:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== general category article ==

Is there an article that discusses the general category of the kind of things listed in this "Comparison of source code hosting facilities" article?

Many Wikipedia articles use the phrase "[[web-based project-management and collaboration]]" or the phrase "[[source code hosting]]".

I want to to improve those articles by making that phrase in those articles, and in the introduction to this "Comparison of source code hosting facilities" article, link or redirect to an article about that general category.

I suppose all these things could be considered a kind of [[shared web hosting service]] or [[free web hosting service]] (or both?), but my understanding is that this particular sub-category is notable enough for its own article.

--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 16:53, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== GitLab is open source ==

Could anyone explain why GitLab Community Edition is not marked as free software? It's published on terms of MIT license. [[User:Deetah|Deetah]] ([[User talk:Deetah|talk]]) 14:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

: I found a good source and corrected this [[User:Stefan Nagy|Stefan Nagy]] ([[User talk:Stefan Nagy|talk]]) 14:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

== Apache Allura is missing ==

[[Apache Allura]] indicates it includes git management <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.165.245.13|86.165.245.13]] ([[User talk:86.165.245.13|talk]]) 11:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Repeated Deletion of entries ==

There has been repeated deletion of entries without justification. Editors cite [[WP:GNG]] and [[WP:NOTDIR]], however, these policies are being misapplied to lists. Some entries already have articles on Wikipedia (for example [[Deveo]]), and if notability is called into question, [[WP:FAILN]] should be employed. As mentioned in previous discussions here, lists may contain entries with questionable notability, "Non-notable topics with closely related notable articles or lists are often merged into those pages". [[User:YetAnotherAlias|YetAnotherAlias]] ([[User talk:YetAnotherAlias|talk]]) 13:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

:I'm fine with waiting until the AFD on Deveo is completed to remove it. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 14:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

::Note: This issue has now been resolved. See [[Talk:List of tools for code review]] for details. [[User:FleetCommand|'''<span style="color:#FCC200">Fleet</span>'''<span style="color:#FC00C2">Command</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FleetCommand|<span style="color:#00C2FC">Speak your mind!</span>]])</small> 17:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

== Tesarius ==

In table '''General information''' column '''Server side: all free software'''<br />

What does it mean? All features or only based, enought for basic common tasks?<br />

For example, in Microsoft Visual Studio Team Services Most of functions and features are absolute free for teams, which consists no more than 5 members <ref>{{cite web|title=Visual Studio Team Services Pricing|url=https://www.visualstudio.com/pricing/visual-studio-team-services-pricing-vs|website=www.visualstudio.com}}</ref><br />

:You can follow the link to read about [[Free software]]. Free as in libre, not gratis. [[User:Greenman|Greenman]] ([[User talk:Greenman|talk]]) 19:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

In table '''Features''' column '''Shell server'''<br />

What does it mean? SSH?

:Yes, presumably. See [https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Shell%20Service/] - each of those claims should be referenced so as to allow followup. [[User:Greenman|Greenman]] ([[User talk:Greenman|talk]]) 19:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

{{reflist-talk}}

== Large number of hosting services removed with no explanation ==

I added two sites to the "Specialized hosting facilities" section. The sites both focus on R packages, similar to Drupal.org's hosting of Drupal modules. However, both sites were subsequently removed with no explanation, and then the same user removed 17 other sites (from other parts of the same page) with little explanation. Is there a specific objection I could address? [[User:Kenahoo|Kenahoo]] ([[User talk:Kenahoo|talk]]) 18:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

:They removed entries without an article. Most list/comparison-type articles only include entries that have an article, otherwise the list gets unmanageable with no criteria for what's added (see [[WP:WTAF]]). But it should really be listed on the page that this is the case. [[User:Greenman|Greenman]] ([[User talk:Greenman|talk]]) 19:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

::Wikipedia:Write the article first is not policy, it is an opinion; and it is misapplied in this case. ALso "One of the main distinctions between lists and article categories in that lists may contain non-notable entries". Deletions have made Wikipedia less useful. [[User:GangofOne|GangofOne]] ([[User talk:GangofOne|talk]]) 23:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

:::It's a perfectly acceptable inclusion criteria, especially when no other has been offered that I've noticed. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz|talk]]) 20:28, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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== Gogs ==

Is this far enough developed, in order to include it: http://gogs.io/ <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ShalokShalom|ShalokShalom]] ([[User talk:ShalokShalom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ShalokShalom|contribs]]) 13:02, 21 February 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: But Gogs is a git server and not a source code hosting facility. I think Gogs rather belong in the [[Git_(software)#Git_server]] section. --[[User:Zonkmachine|Zonkmachine]] ([[User talk:Zonkmachine|talk]]) 02:53, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

:: That is a misunderstanding, [[User:Zonkmachine|Zonkmachine]]. Gogs calls itself the “Go Git Service”, and it clearly falls into the same category of tools as, say, GitLab because both have drawn a lot of inspiration from GitHub. So of course they are all source code hosting facilities and should enter the comparison. --[[User:ChPietsch|ChPietsch]] ([[User talk:ChPietsch|talk]]) 12:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Status of Tigris.org ==

Tigris.org should removed from this comparison due to the unclear and irrelevant state of it as a service. They have not been accepting new projects since 2014 and the last update posted on their blog was in 2013, making Tigris.org basically irrelevant to this comparison in 2017 since on one can start a new project there. I'm not entirely sure what CollabNet or the admins are doing with the site, but right now it looks like its completely dead.

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== Old Content For Github ==

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== Tuleap should be added ==

[[Tuleap (project management)]] should be included in this list. It's available with support; or do-it-yourself with the free sources. [[User:GregRundlett|GregRundlett]] ([[User talk:GregRundlett|talk]]) 21:44, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

== possible additions ==

*http://gforge.inria.fr math, crypto etc [[User:GangofOne|GangofOne]] ([[User talk:GangofOne|talk]]) 20:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

*http://tuxfamily.org or better, https://projects.tuxfamily.org/

*https://puszcza.gnu.org.ua [[User:GangofOne|GangofOne]] ([[User talk:GangofOne|talk]]) 08:36, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

*https://pagure.io related to fedora [[User:GangofOne|GangofOne]] ([[User talk:GangofOne|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

*https://notabug.org/ free code hosting, a Peers community project, clone of gogs software [[User:GangofOne|GangofOne]] ([[User talk:GangofOne|talk]]) 22:33, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Software or instances ==

The table seems currently focused on software, while it's interesting to compare the main instances running it as well, for instance there are several GitLab, Gogs and Savannah instances open to projects. [https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8ofqf6/gitlab_instances_and_other_alternatives/ One list on Reddit] is a good starting point but I'm not sure how/whether to reference it in external links or otherwise. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 16:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

== User counts ==

I have asked Gitlab.com to provide more recent user counts. On IRC they originally declined, pointing me to [e-mail], which I contacted, waiting for feedback. I also noticed that the source for the Github numbers is not clear at all, and made that more obvious in the article. More generally, one has to wonder how relevant is the number of users - the number of *active* users would be more important - it's one of the reasons why Gitlab declined to share their numbers, as they felt it would be disengenuous. --[[User:TheAnarcat|TheAnarcat]] ([[User talk:TheAnarcat|talk]]) 16:34, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

It is possible to get information of 3,584,105 users from https://gitlab.com/api/v4/users/ API endpoint and information of 1,044,288 ''public'' projects from https://gitlab.com/api/v4/projects API endpoint, now. As the current number of GitLab users is seemed to be retrieved by a similar method (it is said to retrieved at 2017-03-25 from "GitLab.com") and is completely out of date (due to the grate migration after Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub [https://about.gitlab.com/2018/06/03/movingtogitlab/ #movingtogitlab ]), could it be updated without any other reference? --[[User:Hadi sfr|Hadi sfr]] ([[User talk:Hadi sfr|talk]]) 01:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

== Jurisdiction of each service ==

It would be very interesting if somebody could determine the controlling jurisdiction applicable to each of the services. As a particular example, Sourceforge declines to serve projects to Cuba at the behest of the US government, and I think it would be useful if that could be made explicit. [[User:MarkMLl|MarkMLl]] ([[User talk:MarkMLl|talk]]) 13:28, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree, and I think this is very important - most of the sites listed here deny services to developers who happen to live in one of the countries on the current "hate list" of the US government.

It's a major omission of the article which urgently needs to be fixed, ideally by the addition of an extra column to the "General Information" table. [[User:Longitude2|Longitude2]] ([[User talk:Longitude2|talk]]) 09:17, 30 October 2019 (UTC)