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Thanks for that imfo, i posted that version on the page. [[User:La lopi|La lopi]] ([[User talk:La lopi|talk]]) 12:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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== Requesting a series of maps for the battle of Marathon ==

[[File:Battle of Marathon Greek Double Envelopment.png|thumb|none]]

;Article:

[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marathon]]

;Request:

:Currently the section describing the battle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marathon#Battle, has one map (Persians in red, Greeks in blue) that tries to show all of the phases of this battle. As you can see it is complicated and, I think, makes it hard to understand what happened there.

:It also contains a major error. The article specifically states that Persian cavalry were “not engaged”, yet the map shows two Persian cavalry units right in the middle of the struggle.

:I would like to create a series of simple maps, that would accompany the text, and that will illustrate each of the five or so phases of this battle. As a possible starting point, I have a to-scale drawing, based on a current map of the Marathon battle site, that shows what I am thinking of. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 18:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

;Discussion:Then I would need that drawing. Also we have to discuss and make a first map as a Mother which we then will follow.<br>

{{I take|[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 19:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)}}

:{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} Forgot to ping you, please read above and get back to me, please always ping me, thanks. --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:43, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} Now I have a [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Oa2Zszh03ACLRl4kZljYkcBcD3GAzZBW/view?usp=sharing draft-1] of the base map. This is a png version of the svg file I'm working in. You will have to tell me what the different places you wrote about what they are, battle places, cities ...<br>

::At commons we have templates we use to make maps look similar and for military we have [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Template_of_Military_Symbols.svg this one], but I'm not sure we can use those symbols on something this old. So give me feedback and info, thanks. --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 12:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Goran tek-en}} First draft of the base map looks good. Let me review and I will respond with the information you asked for. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 19:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} Thanks for the extensive information. It's actually to much for me, I work on several things at the same time and it's hard to read and remember that much. I just need exactly what I should do, Greek troops moving forward here, battle at this position etc. I do understand it's hard know but after a while we both will know, so thanks.

:::*In this draft I have just put out all the names, we decide further on which to keep/add and position them.

:::*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q_ECyhyoBjFDxjbz-7MVSpdVwqueAJbl/view?usp=sharing Draft D-1.] --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

::::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} I need your feed back as per above, thanks. --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 14:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Goran tek-en}} Sorry for all of the information. I agree, too much. I will review your most recent draft and get back to you with the next step. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 20:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Goran tek-en}} I just sent you some edits to your D-1 draft. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 19:28, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} It would help me if you stick to the correct coloring in your information drawings (maybe you are right and I'm wrong there).

:::*Is the colors and positions correct on [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q_ECyhyoBjFDxjbz-7MVSpdVwqueAJbl/view?usp=sharing Draft D-1,] Greek-red, Persian-Blue? --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 12:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Goran tek-en}} You are correct. Persian forces are hostile and according to this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Template_of_Military_Symbols.png they should be red. Greek forces are then blue. My mistake. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 16:34, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}}

:::::#To me we use squares [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Template_of_Military_Symbols.png from this template] to show type and position for a unit/headquarter etc. They are not used to show shapes, positions of troops or battle lines. We can wait and see what you want later on and correct if needed. Eg. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Map_of_invasion_of_Yugoslavia_-_Southeastern_section_map.svg map-1], [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/German_Summer_Offensive_Towards_Stalingrad_July-September_1942.png map-2.].

:::::#I added another symbol for Tumulus as a circle would be to similar to the city symbol.

:::::#[https://drive.google.com/file/d/19QryzlwPSxU2u052PXqpu2Dsk1IirK_L/view?usp=sharing Draft-1_2.] --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 11:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} Great work so far. I have sent you the last few edits for the First Phase map and first draft for Second Phase. I have suggested a way of showing troop movement. See what you think. Is there any other way? [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 19:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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:::::::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} This draft is a PNG version of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons. [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZvEPVwFt_VON7P5aiW96oD_0_rgbfg4H/view?usp=sharing Draft-1_3].<br>

:::::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/12_h401GrMe-kU9T7OMcJ9kWiKMm1NpNG/view?usp=sharing Draft-2_1]. --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 11:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} Excellent. I am going to sketch out the last three phases and send all to you in couple of days. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 20:43, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} I just sent you the draft for maps for phases 3,4, and 5. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 17:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} I had to make some overall changes so here is five new drafts.

*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EY_JnKAgklFgxT26paA-0_VqlD7a87Ho/view?usp=sharing Draft-1.]

*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IjXC0XAE6V0rSfHkL72gf7w_NLChbyto/view?usp=sharing Draft-2.]

*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hl41D_NTZaA85nHuk0JeCrNtz8_kdELq/view?usp=sharing Draft-3.]

*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/17ck0LQxHoHlcU9-sYdQj3Tve9xuM0fg_/view?usp=sharing Draft-4.]

*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kNQRxxLGhjwbutKk4K-rCPmHFMGGRWdn/view?usp=sharing Draft-5.] --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Goran tek-en}} Thanks for these. They look good. I like the "retreat" arrows. They help to separate retreaters from pursuers. I may have some small edits in couple days. We're close to being done. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 16:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Goran tek-en}} After thinking about your maps for a week, I think they are perfect, so I suggest that we are done with this project. Thankyou for your good work.

:My next step is to propose the addition of these maps to the 200+ watchers of the Battle of Marathon article. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 18:17, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} I will need the following for each of the five files;

::* Name of the file

::* Description (/language)

::* Captions/s (/language)

::* Category/ies at commons<br>

::to be able to upload it at commons. If you don'y know about Captions [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_captions read here.]--[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 15:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} I really need the information asked for above, thanks. --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 13:24, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} I have a draft of the information you need. I will send final to you Monday 4/26 [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 19:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} I just emailed you the information you asked for. Do you need anything else?[[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 14:47, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

::::::{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} Should we not redo the fourth and fifth phase then. I followed your information and didn't think about that they actually retreated to their ships and that gif shows another retreat path. You have the knowledge so you tell me? --''always ping me''--[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 16:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

:::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} Let me think about this. Your question requires a long answer. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 20:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

:::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} I just emailed an answer to your questions along with a draft of the proposed "Battle" section. I would like to proceed with the maps as they are now, and then we shall see what the article watchers think. [[User:Joe Bfsplk|Joe Bfsplk]] ([[User talk:Joe Bfsplk|talk]]) 17:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

{{u|Joe Bfsplk}} We could add a sixth phase showing them taking to the boats. Your proposed names was not accepted so I changed them. Now you can find them here<br>

*[[:Commons:file:First phase of the Battle of Marathon- the two armies form their lines.svg]]<br>

*[[:Commons:file:Second phase of the Battle of Marathon-the Greeks attack and the lines make contact.svg]]<br>

*[[:Commons:file:Third phase of the Battle of Marathon-the Greek center is pushed back.svg]]<br>

*[[:Commons:file:Fourth phase of the Battle of Marathon-the Persian wings collapse.svg]]<br>

*[[:Commons:file:Fifth phase of the Battle of Marathon-the Persians are routed and retreat to their ships.svg]]<br>

If you are happy with this please put the code <code><nowiki>{{tl|resolved|1=~~~~}}</nowiki></code> on this request so it can be archived, thanks. {{done}} --[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:13, 8 May 2021 (UTC)