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===By-country templates for Euro-archaeology?===
{{cl|European archaeology stubs}} is of moderate size, and a by-country template split looks desirable (a UK-archaeology-stub would easily pass threshold, as well). Problem is, of course, that we're dealing with ancient history in countries notorious for the changes in borders over that time. Personally, I'd favour the usual "current borders" principle, but if there are better ideas, voice 'em. I'd like to at least propose a {{tl|UK-archaeology-stub}} / {{cl|United Kingdom archaeology stubs}}, and suggest debating on the rest. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:Permanent parent cat is split by curent nation so I see no problem in by country templates, categories for any that reach 60.[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
'''Support''' Me neither Waacs.[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 17:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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I proposed this a while back [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 17:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:You may have proposed a {{cl|Black metal stubs}}, but I doubt that you proposed a {{cl|Stub-Class...}} anything here! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
Ooops, I meant to post that under "library"!! just below here. [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 16:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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::*Other -- Artists: only 7, Film-related bio: only 2, Music artsts: only 3, TV-related: only 1
::thoughts? [[User:Outsider80|Outsider80]] ([[User talk:Outsider80|talk]]) 20:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
*I'd definitely support the original proposal. There were 53 such stubs two days ago and the number is increasing daily. If not for my recent health problems I'd have probably proposed this myself by now. Though I can see the reasoning behind Thomas's counterproposal, I think that a basic LGBT bio category makes sense as an initial move to empty out the LGBT stub category. It would also be a reasonable parent type for the existing activist category. The idea of creating a separate template for writers has its merits, though that's perhaps less urgent. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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==={{Cl|Italian church stubs}}===
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Speedy creation for this cat? presently upmerged into {{Cl|Roman Catholic church stubs}} but now has 110+ articles.[[User:HeartofaDog|HeartofaDog]] ([[User talk:HeartofaDog|talk]]) 02:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:mmmmm. I think I'd prefer a split by country rather than by the status of the building, though we do have the template, so it makes some sense. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::I see what you mean. I am not sure that many countries have 60+ RC Cathedrals - presumably there wd be no problem breaking out the ones that do at the appropriate time and leaving the remainder permanently in RC-cathedral?
::Or do you want to rethink the whole RC-church thing, and just have churches and cathedrals by country? There is certainly about to be a difficulty - in RC countries - with the overlap / duplication between Foo-church-stub and RC-foo-church-stub - (eg) RC churches in France / Churches in France. [[User:HeartofaDog|HeartofaDog]] ([[User talk:HeartofaDog|talk]]) 11:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
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===LGBT magazines and newspapers, and two speedied categories===
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Hi all - subsequent to the recent LGBT split proposal, I'd like to propose two more upmerged templates - {{tl|LGBT-mag-stub}} and {{tl|LGBT-newspaper-stub}}. Looks like they'll each take about 30 articles. I've also inadvertently speedied both {{cl|LGBT organization stubs}} and {{cl|LGBT law stubs}}, but both should get close to three figures, so hopefully no damage done. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
* In the spirit of "sometimes it's better to ask forgiveness than permission", '''support'''. [[User:Pegship|Pegship]] ([[User talk:Pegship|talk]]) 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
* '''Support''' both proposed upmerged templates -- there are quite a number of mags & newspaper articles currently stubbed as LGBT-stub. (also support the accidental speedied cats which are helpful in stub-navigating) [[User:Outsider80|Outsider80]] ([[User talk:Outsider80|talk]]) 00:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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Surprised this hasn't been ID'd by now, 70+ articles identified, can see preliminary list on [[User:Minnecologies|userpage]][[User:Minnecologies|minnecologies]] ([[User talk:Minnecologies|talk]]) 03:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
*{{tl|forestry-stub}} certainly looks like it'd be useful - as long as there's a note that it's not to be used for geo-type articles about actual forests. '''Support'''. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:Definately. COuld include both forest organizations and articles on forestry issues as well as any notable figures in this field. [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 11:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yup - though the orgs and bios should be double-stubbed with any other appropriate stub types, of course. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:::Yes, we need a "forestry" stub - I specifically need one. chop chop ;)[[User:Nailgunner|Nailgunner]] ([[User talk:Nailgunner|talk]]) 22:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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Propose creating templates for all countries for {{tl|Africa-sports-venue-stub}}, as has been done with biographies. This will make sorting stubs into building and structures stub categories much easier and eliminate significant needless double stubbing.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|TM]] 20:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support''' will match Asia and Europe. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 22:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - would also be worth having redirects to them all from {{tl|Foo-stadium-stub}}, which is also widely used as a template styling. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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==={{Cl|European athletics biography stubs}}===
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:**{{cl|Diving (acrobatics) stubs}} (291 stubs, fed by both the base and bio stubs)
:**{{cl|Diving biography stubs}} (310 stubs, fed by both bio types, as per current use)
:[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::Support Grutness' suggestion. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 10:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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As upmerged templates in [[:Category:European church stubs]], on a par with the several already existing there for other countries. [[User:HeartofaDog|HeartofaDog]] ([[User talk:HeartofaDog|talk]]) 00:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
*Sounds like a good move - '''support''', and for any other countries that might find church-stub templates useful. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::May I take this as a speedy OK?[[User:HeartofaDog|HeartofaDog]]
:::I'll say speedy create. for these and any other templates for foo-church-stubs for the euro cat. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 10:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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::*{{tl|Haringey-geo-stub}}, upmerged for now into {{cl|London geography stubs}} and
::*{{tl|Haringey-stub}}, upmerged for now into {{cl|London stubs}}.
::If either of them get 60 stubs, then separate categories could be created, or if they have 60 between them they could both feed a new {{cl|Haringey stubs}}, with the geo one also still feeding the London geo category. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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Propose {{Cl|Central American sportspeople stubs}}, {{Tl|foo-sport-bio-stub}} for all 7 nations nations and {{Tl|Foo-footy-bio-stub}} for Guatemala and Belize (the only two that don't currently have them). [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 18:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
*(Grutness tries to nod sagely, but ends up looking like one of those nodding-head dog puppets) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:*More like a nodding cat surely. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 15:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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*{{Cl|German field hockey Olympic medalist stubs}} - {{tl|Germany-fieldhockey-Olympic-medalist-stub}}
. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 23:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what is standard naming practice with these, but {{tl|Foo-Olympic-bar-medalist-stub}} (e.g., Germany-Olympic-swimming-medallist-stub}} would flow better, IMO (and yes, for continental Europe we'd normally use UK spelling, so they should all be "medallist". This, however, probably needs to wait for the outcome of a massive renaming of permcats which i think may be called for, so going with one -l- for now but keeping an eye out for future changes is possibly the best option). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::If we go with the Foo-Olympic-bar then the US subcats (the only other country we have split this way) need to be renamed. I agree that we probably do need a rename to medallist at some point. I don't think we need both axis of split do you have a preference for either. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 08:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Not really - but I suspect that a further split will be needed sooner if we go for the EG/WG one. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:Hmm yes the naming does seem a bit of a mouthful. I support though based on numbers [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 13:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hi. Sorry about the delay in responding fellas. I'm not sure what we should do about naming in all honesty. I would completely support the category and template naming conventions above. I would also support East and West templates.[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 18:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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*Works for me. [[User:Pegship|Pegship]] ([[User talk:Pegship|talk]]) 06:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
*fully support, if you need any help let me know, don't think we need to go as far as we have with football though. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 23:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support''' from me, too. BTW, if you have queries about less straightforward country names in stub templates, checking [[User:Grutness/Geo-stub list]] should hopefully clear them up. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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:'''Speedy'''--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|TM]] 15:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::'''Yes but''' some uniformity might be nice... either Mexico/Portugal or Mexican/Portuguese... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:::someone found the deliberate error:), obviously bsed on all the other categories it should be {{Cl|Portuguese athletics biography stubs}}, thanks for spoting that grutness. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 15:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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{{tl|Romania-canoe-bio-stub}} has reached 60 propose {{Cl|Romanian canoeist stubs}} to fit in with post SFD name. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:Support. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:'''Go for it'''[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 15:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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