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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 12:15, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# This was not egregiously bad, but admins involved in taking an administrative role should avoid substantive discussions of content. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 15:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# This feels like a content decision, but I agree that the sourcing was wrong. --[[User:In actu|In actu (Guerillero)]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 01:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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:::I believe that this editor sought in good faith to address BLP violations and other issues within the topic-area, although some specific instances of conduct were suboptimal. I incline toward opposing, but would like to see any response by the drafters to the opposers before voting. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*The misuse of sources is pretty straightforward. North adds "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brianna_Wu&diff=630202630&oldid=630201480 which mocked and criticized those in the movement who were harassing]" sourced to [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/], which only states "This one, Brianna Wu, because she dared to tweet some jokes about the ongoing drama." Next, North adds more, citing Wu as mocking "the movement and its supporters for, among other things, making illogical claims and misogynistic threats" to [The Boston Globe https://web.archive.org/web/20141202115648/http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/style/2014/10/29/threatening-video-gaming-industry-movement-grows-arlington-game-developer-forced-flee-her-home/BRHwDSGjMsSnHquH9jYQIJ/story.html], where the actual text is "But Wu was thrust into the spotlight on Oct. 9, when she tweeted what she intended as a joke. It mocked members of a shadowy and threatening gaming movement called GamerGate, ridiculing them for, among other things, “fighting an apocalyptic future where women are 8 percent of programmers and not 3 percent". They are appending the sources to statements they do not support.
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:# I share some of GW and Courcelles's concerns, but I think that this will roll --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 07:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Lovely, thanks for doing this. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 21:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 22:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice.
:# Second choice, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 13:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 13:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# True as written, though I wish there was more there, there. All four diffs of edit warring are from the same day, a pretty clear 3RR violation, but not evidence of a prolonged edit-war, more along the lines of evidence that, in my experience, would have gotten a 24 hour block at ANEW. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 02:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# It works --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 07:40, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#Weakly. The third diff is, IMO, the worst. And the block is part of the record here. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 03:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# as the proposer --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 05:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Yeah, this was a little too far. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 03:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# I've also added a few more diffs. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 07:57, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Being a SPA is not an offence. Weak support re "battleground." -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 19:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Similar line of thinking as Euryalus. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# I'm not sure a finding against this editor is essential, but I can support the thrust of the finding, though not necessarily each and every diff. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:03, 22 January 2015 (UTC) I do note, though, that the editor voluntarily disengaged from this topic-area some time ago. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# None of these are article edits. Masem is discussing aspects of policy, including the "Verifiability not truth" paradox. They're also questioning whether crude characterisation of the sides into white hats and black hats is not just polarising the issues further and making it more difficult to resolve. I guess this is what talk pages are for and, if it isn't, it ought to be. [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 10:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 12:15, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# There are no article edits here. Discussion of how reliable a given source is or is not is entirely in line with NPOV, and is indeed one of the ways we come to a neutral article based upon the most highly reliable references. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 15:52, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# per Roger Davies and Seraphimblade. [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#I'd like to emphasize my personal appreciation for the admins who have been working this difficult area. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Ditto, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 23:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# I also echo Beeblebrox. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# +1 to all of the above. Administrator activity in AE is critical to the effectiveness of community and committee sanctions, and I greatly respect all those so willing. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|Faraone]]</font>''' 03:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Housekeeping to reduce extensive multiple votes. Plus the authorisation for the DS needs to sync precisely with the areas covered by the topic ban. This can be done as a copy edit when we know whether this or 2.2) becomes the default provision, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 16:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Will help calm the entire general topic area if this is the scope. And, yeah, this ''should'' be the DS scope as well, keeping in mind that it intersects with ''Sexology'' and the soon-to-be-renamed ''Footnoted Quotes'' in scope, though all three cover content the other two do not. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 16:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# First choice.
:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 17:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# First choice. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Housekeeping to reduce extensive multiple votes. Plus the authorisation for the DS needs to sync precisely with the areas covered by the topic ban. This can be done as a copy edit when we know whether this or 2.1) becomes the default provision, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 16:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice.
:# Second choice. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Solves this particular problem, interpreting "relating to" to include people involved in" '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:15, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# If anything at all is needed ... [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 23:36, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#I want to be clear here that I do not believe he actually did anything improper, but he did blur the line between being involved and uninvolved, and in such cases it is always best to leave enforcement actions to someone who is unambiguously uninvolved. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Contingent on the passage of the relevant FoF, and with emphasis that this is a very mild reminder, not a finding of any serious misconduct. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 16:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#: See fresh comments below, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 00:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:#Kind of puzzled that arbs who supported the FoF are opposing this remedy... [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# To disentangle the area. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 09:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 10:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 15:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice.
:# Second choice, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 16:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Iff the topic ban does not pass. Still thinking about that one. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:10, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# In a package with 5.4 and 5.5. --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:#:Clerks, please break the slate and consider each vote individually --[[User:In actu|In actu (Guerillero)]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 20:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice.
:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 05:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#I don't like this sort of sanction as it seems like an admission that this person is disruptive, and that we don't expect it to stop, but we will do anything we can to avoid just banning them. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:# My thinking mirrors Beeblebrox's here.
:# Too vague & imprecise '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:42, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# per Beeblebrox. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 10:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Will prioritise later if need be, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 23:38, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:#: Equal first choice, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 11:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
:# First choice.
:#:'''Last Choice''' I would love to not do this but I don't think anything else has a snowball's chance of passing --[[User:In actu|In actu (Guerillero)]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 01:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
:#::Removing in line with the fact that other things are passing. I don't want this to skate by under the radar --[[User:In actu|In actu (Guerillero)]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 20:23, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# In addition to the other sanctions, if he is not immediately banned. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|Faraone]]</font>''' 18:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Support alongside other sanctions.
:# Iff the ban does not pass. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#:Clerks, please break the slate and consider each vote individually --[[User:In actu|In actu (Guerillero)]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 20:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Edit warring has definitely been a major issue here, so perhaps this will calm things. I agree with Beeblebrox that edit warring was not the only issue, but between this and the topic ban, I'm hoping we have a workable solution. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 02:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Support alongside other sanctions.
:Oppose:
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:#* --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 01:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# Extremely weak support. Their behavior probably did warrant it, although the benefit of sanctioning them after they left is limited. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# <s>Would support if 6.1 were not currently passing, so vacuous support.</s> '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|Faraone]]</font>''' 18:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice.
:# Iff the topic ban does not pass. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 09:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Per T. Canens, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 18:16, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#He may not have been the worst actor in this specific situation, but he clearly failed to get the message from four prior arbcom findings. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 23:21, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#In a package with 7.3 and 7.4 --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:#:Clerks, please break the slate and consider each vote individually --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 00:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Second choice.
:# Support, no preference. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|Faraone]]</font>''' 18:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 19:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Third choice.
:# In addition, not as alternative. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#Again, if edit warring were the only issue this would be great. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 09:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 09:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 23:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:#: Equal first choice, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#I find myself wishing I could find some way not to support this. I kind of like TDA, but like other parties in this case, they appear not to have gotten the message from previous lesser sanctions so this would appear to be the only remaining option likely to have the desired effect. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 00:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# I don't like this but I can't see another option --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 07:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# The warning seems unnecessary given the above, and the suggestion is too open-ended. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 04:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:#Per my previously made comments on the value of warning users who have already been subject to numerous sanctions and warnings. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Unnecessary and redundant with passing remedies above.
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:#I sincerely hope this will be taken seriously and no further action will be required with regard to this user. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 23:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:# [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 23:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:#
:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# as the proposer --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 05:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:::<s>Will prioritise later if need be, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 23:40, 19 January 2015 (UTC)</s>
:# Second choice.
:# --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 07:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:#:Last choice --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:36, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# As the person who [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Single purpose accounts|dug this up]]. I don't think warnings are needed here because this is meant to be an ulta-fast but light-weight version of DS to deal with the waves of SPAs that have and will enter the topic area to push an agenda. --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 05:51, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:#
:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 04:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
:#: <s> <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 10:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</s>
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:# The FOF doesn't describe any misconduct, [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 10:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# FoF supports no such restriction, as it describes no wrongdoing.
:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:25, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Of the mindset that Masem should take a step back from the area, though. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 22:01, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 10:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 04:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# Violations of the topic ban can be dealt with swiftly at AE. This editor was given a final warning on the violations by HJ Mitchell and no action has been necessary since then. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 05:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 02:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# I guess. Echoing Courcelles that I don't feel like these remedies do much of anything at all. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 02:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:# In that I'd like to see it happen, but I don't really know that these do any good either. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 05:43, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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:#Appears remedies are settled and clearly pass/fail on most accounts.
:#I'm done, and this whole case needs to be done ASAP. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:#Yeah, this is effectively done. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 20:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
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