Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pure (programming language) (2nd nomination): Difference between revisions

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*All were nominated using the back door deletion process called PROD. It allows a single person to tag the article, and if uncontested for a few days any editor with delete privileges can delete it, without any public review outside of the obscure PROD list. Especially sneaky considering the Keep outcome at the last AFD for some of them. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 21:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

**Articles which have been through an AfD are ineligible for PROD-ding. --[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font colorstyle="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</font></b><fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFB521;">cobra</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 22:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' [http://www.heise.de/ix/artikel/Rein-ins-Vergnuegen-856225.html German IT magazine article], <s>[http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1863538 ACM journal article] that apparently talks about it,</s> [http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2009/cdm/Saturday/19_Graef/19.pdf refereed article from the Linux Audio Conference 2009 proceedings]. This <s>more than</s> meets the GNG minimum. Read the prior AfD(s) beforehand next time. --[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font colorstyle="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</font></b><fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFB521;">cobra</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 02:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' The sources that you have provided are far from convincing. Granted, I can't read the first one, but the only mention of Pure in the entire article in the second one is: "Pure: A functional programming language based on term rewriting. Pure uses LLVM as a just-in-time compiler," which makes it hardly suitable. Finally, the third is written by the developer of the language and is hardly independent. Additionally, the previous AfD was a withdrawal (which doesn't mean that it can't be speedily re-nominated) and was withdrawn due to numerous attacks on the user over other AfDs. This AfD is no way a bad faith nomination; a little [[WP:AGF]] is needed. Finally, it is still the imperative of the writers of articles to source them with reliable sources, not for readers of the articles to go out and look for them, and especially when the language has such a common word for a name, those with limited technical knowledge can easily be swamped looking for proper sources. The best way to defend this article would be to put [[WP:RS]] sources into the article, rather than simply stating they exist. [[User talk:Ravendrop|Ravendrop]] 07:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

::I don't have access to the 2nd source; I was just going off what was claimed at the prior AfD, so that criticism is valid. Regarding the 3rd source, I believe the refereeing provides sufficient independence. Finally, I was not commenting on <s>your</s> the nom's faith or propriety, I was merely commenting on <s>your</s> the nom's diligence in observing [[WP:BEFORE]]. --[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font colorstyle="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</font></b><fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFB521;">cobra</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 12:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:::Fair enough on the second, but as I do have full access to it and can confirm that's all it says. On the third, I'm still wary because its still written by the developed. I think it can work as a an ''additional'' source, but not the ''primary'' or ''only'' source. Lastly, I didn't nominate the article, and was not attempting to criticize you directly, but more of putting it on record so that someone doesn't quickly look at the discussion and not realize that the previous AfD wasn't as cut and dry as it appears on the surface. [[User talk:Ravendrop|Ravendrop]] 08:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing|list of Computing-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Cybercobra|<b><font colorstyle="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</font></b><fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFB521;">cobra</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 03:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)</small>

*<s>'''Delete''' I see no independent, in-depth treatment of this language from [[WP:RS]]. Would be willing to change my vote if some is found.</s> '''Weak Keep''' Based solely on the German article and, minimally, on the refereed proceeding. [[User talk:Ravendrop|Ravendrop]] 07:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

**What beef do you have with the German article? --[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font colorstyle="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</font></b><fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFB521;">cobra</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 08:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

***Can you, or someone else, verify that it is a [[WP:RS]]. [[User talk:Ravendrop|Ravendrop]] 04:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

****It's from [[iX (magazine)]], a magazine for IT professionals published by [[Heinz Heise]]; see also [http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIX_–_Magazin_für_professionelle_Informationstechnik Google translation of dewiki article on iX]. It's apparent from skimming that the article is entirely about Pure.--[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font colorstyle="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</font></b><fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFB521;">cobra</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 08:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' per the references provided above (one refereed article + two independent mentions) and by being the successor to [[Q (equational programming language)]]. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 21:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Keep or WP:Buro''' Renomination churning of recent AfD closed with ten Keep !votes, one Delete !vote, cited references, and withdrawal of the nomination by the nominator.&nbsp; [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 23:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)