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* Chip Coffey [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chip_Coffey&type=revision&diff=650155180&oldid=642014234]
* Suzane Northrop [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suzane_Northrop&type=revision&diff=1008164668&oldid=999590016]
==Evidence presented by Apaugasma==
===Roxy the Dog engages in personal attacks/incivility===
====Personal attacks====
* "I'm just messing with your head" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vernon_Coleman&diff=prev&oldid=1063597685]
* "Dont be a plonker all your life SFR" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roxy_the_dog&diff=prev&oldid=1060927049]
* "Why dont you take a long walk off a short pier?" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1056219916]
====Incivility====
* "this looks like a Lynch mob [...] Usual suspects, dear me" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1060923750]
* "the mob should perhaps aim at tendentious or disruptive editors [...]" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1060924592]
* "It's just like the night of the long knives here" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1060888938]
* "editor who doesn't like GSoW and went ape at ANI over it" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Taner_Edis&diff=prev&oldid=1056745120]
* "Hello again gatekeeper." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1056219040]
* "I read your silly little list." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1053501340]
* "So they want to do their poor edits by RfC?" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sharon_A._Hill&diff=prev&oldid=1062792699]
* "Are you talking to me, or chewing a brick?" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:John_Campbell_(YouTuber)&diff=prev&oldid=1061853745]
* "You suggest I follow the rules. Aha ha ha haha." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons&diff=prev&oldid=1053219039]
* the response/answer given in Arkell v. Pressdram (i.e., [[Arkell v. pressdram|'fuck off']]) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ginkgo_biloba&diff=prev&oldid=1042811093] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ayurveda&diff=prev&oldid=1036693732]
* "thought you were kidding because your suggestion is so silly!" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roxy_the_dog&diff=prev&oldid=1064487029]
* "fuck off" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roxy_the_dog&diff=prev&oldid=1064106202]
* "Witch hunting is exactly hitting the nail on the head." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexbrn&diff=prev&oldid=1063908151]
* "the usual suspects in the lynch mob." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roxy_the_dog&diff=prev&oldid=1060923108]
* "they are being a huge drama queen" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sgerbic&diff=prev&oldid=1059327985]
* "couldn't stop laughing at your lack of understanding of this project." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roxy_the_dog&diff=prev&oldid=1035565383]
* "you need to get used to such responses to it." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MarshallKe&diff=prev&oldid=1035399983]
===General atmosphere of incivility===
====Casting aspersions on editors being pro-fringe is the norm====
* "fringe sympathetic [...] if you feel the cap fits, then OK" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1063906692]
* "incurring the ire of fringe sympathetic people on wikipedia" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1063905043]
* "ACS' secret but cherished fringe beliefs" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1064434525]
* "Profringe editors teaming up on the Talk page, untoward consequences expected" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1056211847]
* "a mob of "pro-fringe" and "meh-everything but strongly anti-anti-anything" users" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1052305315]
* "Your problem is that you sound like a creationist sometimes" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1047171240]
* "I myself am happy when fringe people accuse skeptics of witch-hunting because that is an easy-to-refute weakness in their reasoning" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1064280388]
* "So you think that playing such silly sophistic word games is an improvement over actual reasoning [...] We know all the tricks people use to defend crazy ideas" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1035801297]
====Implying that people are dumb/crazy/lack reasoning skills is the norm====
* "Propose we call it "unintelligent design" to match the thinking ability of proponents." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Intelligent_design&diff=prev&oldid=1037316956]
* "It was to make fun of you. [...] whoopie cushion" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1053592316]
** "You are just hopping on the cushion." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1053655720]
* "A know-nothing can learn and become a know-something, although becoming a know-it-all is more likely." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Lunatic_charlatans&diff=prev&oldid=1047713785]
* "That is a pathetic technique only used by completely helpless people who have no idea how else to approach scientific problems." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1046440579]
* "Write stupid stuff and people say you wrote stupid stuff." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1046369637]
* "Unless you have some <strike>non-loon</strike> reliable source" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Enyart&diff=prev&oldid=1065604587]
* "What is in your mind does not matter." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_W._Malone&diff=prev&oldid=1064849880]
* "Do you use tea leaves for that, or horoscopes, or I Ching?" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1065409560]
* "you will probably end up believing in lots of bullshit" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Functional_medicine&diff=prev&oldid=1063200068]
* Your reasoning was/is bad/devoid of meaning [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1065868940] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1054656314] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1053657032]
** Other comments regarding bad reasoning: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&diff=prev&oldid=1029528320] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Guy_Macon/Yes._We_are_biased.&diff=prev&oldid=1054475602]
* Pointing editors to [[WP:CIR]]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1046846939] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sherri_Tenpenny&diff=prev&oldid=1063868884]
* Pointing editors to [[Conservapedia]]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Multiple_chemical_sensitivity&diff=prev&oldid=1045935623] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=1036263846&oldid=1036251260]
====Other====
* "So, no. Fuck off." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic&diff=1034199155&oldid=1034189167]
* "you should behave less like an aggressive, pushy loudmouth" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ayurveda&diff=prev&oldid=1033842969]
* ""turd" was just a colorful image for it" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hob_Gadling&diff=prev&oldid=1032285315]
* "gullible, anti-vax, xenophobic, Trump-voting morons" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Normchou/Essays/Does_common_sense_point_to_a_lab_leak_origin%3F&diff=prev&oldid=1029324096]
===Skeptic POV/self-proclaimed 'bias' is identified as official POV of Wikipedia===
====[[Talk:Shiatsu]]: expert academic sources ignored in favor of non-academic skeptic source====
*Editor points out that academic expert [[Edzard Ernst]] concedes ([https://books.google.com/books?id=k7O7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT203 here]) that "the existence of qi can neither be proven nor disproven" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=1035261003&oldid=1035258554]; other editor states "Any statement to the effect that the existence of meridians/qi "can neither be proved nor disproved" is facilely incorrect and does not belong in Wikipedia" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=1035507014&oldid=1035488399]
*Editor insists on asserting in wiki-voice an opinion from a [[Harriet Hall|skeptic activist]] published in a [[Science-Based Medicine|blog]] owned by the [[New England Skeptical Society]], ignoring the POV of academic expert [[Edzard Ernst]] because "Reality is not a point of view, and being "biased" towards reality/science is the kind of [[WP:GOODBIAS]] Wikipedia likes" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=prev&oldid=1036278555] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=1036251260&oldid=1036239832]; others (coming from [[WP:FTN]]) concur [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=next&oldid=1036278555]
*Proposal based on multiple top-quality sources [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=1036532866&oldid=1036531975] is rejected in favor of counterproposal that is based on no source at all but deliberately frames it more wishy-washy ("inexact") [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShiatsu&type=revision&diff=1036586167&oldid=1036573780]
====WP:FRINGE is more important than other parts of WP:NPOV====
* "Fringe is part of NPOV; the best part." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1056800767]
====Skeptic user essays represented as policy/guidelines or having site-wide consensus====
* Essays so represented are [[WP:GOODBIAS]] (= [[WP:YWAB]]), [[WP:LUNATICS]] (= [[WP:QUACKS]]), and [[WP:ABIAS]] (= [[WP:CHOPSY]]): [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Skepticism_and_coordinated_editing/Evidence&diff=1066488633&oldid=1066486133] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1051666224] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1045158010] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vaccine_hesitancy&diff=prev&oldid=1042137730] (=in reference to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vaccine_hesitancy&diff=prev&oldid=1042118851])
===Editors chased away from the topic area===
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=1066087591&oldid=1066065332] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shiatsu&diff=1037180460&oldid=1037174528] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pentagon_UFO_videos&diff=1043975115&oldid=1043926730]
==Evidence presented by {your user name}==
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