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**No-one has said that, of course, and you are making a straw man argument. Now what ''is'' lazy, however, is the bad attitude, which I wouldn't have expected to come from ''you'', that it's somehow [[Project:Somebody Else's Problem|Somebody Else's Problem]] to do this fixing that ''you want done''. So an article isn't perfect yet. Perfection ab initio is not required, and writing an encyclopaedia is the work of years and decades, not 16 days, or even three months. If one wants something done, one mustn't do nothing and then whinge about the fact that no-one does anything. That, after all, clearly defines onesself, the whinger, as part of the very problem of people who do nothing. One must, rather, be bold and do it. That's what [[Wikipedia:Be bold]] has always been about.<p>This isn't what's bad about AFD. This is what's bad about expecting other people to do the writing and abusing AFD as a club, when that doesn't happen to one's satisfaction and volunteer editors don't jump when one shouts "frog!". What you've really exemplified, and quite badly, is what's wrong with some people's approach to a collaborative, long-term, writing project. Demanding that ''someone else make this better or I, whilst doing nothing myself, will try to tear down what other people have made so far'' is very wrong, and not only not the way that we intend to write things here, but also not the way that, over the past decade, most of our content ''has been written in practice''. Go and look at the incremental evolution of the [[banana]] article over 9 years, from a 1 sentence stub with a single source to what it is now. Go and look at how long it took [[North Asia]], an entire region of the planet, to expand.<p>Live with the fact that we're not finished yet, don't abuse deletion nominations as a way to whip writers into writing to your personal timetable, and don't decry a lack of effort whilst being the very no effort problem that you decry. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 04:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I know nobody explicitly said I am a lazy ignoramus, but the tone of some of the above comments certainly suggests it. I haven't improved the article myself for two reasons: 1. I know nothing about the subject matter and do not believe I could properly make the improvements. 2. I do not believe this is a particularly notable concept that Wikipedia needs to cover in it's own article, which is the ''only'' reason I have nominated it for deletion. I ''love'' seeing crappy articles get improved by collaboration. That has not and by all indications will not happen to this article. Your own argument leans towards not keeping it as a stand alone article, the problem being that there is no umbrella article on the broader subject involved to merge it to. In short I would fix it myself if I thought I could, I'm not afraid to improve articles and have done so hundreds of times. I don't see any hope for this one, and it is tiring in the extreme to repeatedly see the argument that somebody possibly could maybe fix it someday based on nothing but [[WP:GHITS]]. I also don't appreciate the suggestion that I have abused the afd process. I am not advocating that the article be cleaned up because I don't think it can be. I am advocating for its deletion, which is exactly what AFD is for. I have to mention as well that "whinger" is not a term I am familiar with but I have a feeling I don't much like being thus identified. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 04:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:V]]. The article does not contain references to published reliable sources that support the content. Per [[WP:BURDEN]], it is incumbent on those who want to retain the article to add any such sources. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<
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