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=== Non-admin wording? ===

Would it be possible to add a switch to this template that if enabled would change the wording in the second sentence? I've used this template in the past to let people know when they've incorrectly tagged a page (when I was doing NPP), but the phrase "declined to delete" implies that I'm an administrator, which I'm not. Perhaps a change of that wording to something like "removed the tag on" instead would be good in these cases. I'm no good with template syntax but if someone else could come along and do it, it would be great. Thanks! '''[[User:Elektrik Shoos|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFCC66;">elektrik</fontspan>]][[User talk:Elektrik Shoos|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#666666;">SHOOS</fontspan>]]''' 17:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

:Coincidence - a couple of editors are working on a possible rewording of this now to include yours and other suggestions. You are rght however, template syntax is not everyone's cup of tea. We'll post back here when we have a suitable draft. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 09:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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== Recent change to [[Template:Uw-speedy1]] doesn't work for user pages ==

See [[User talk:Ctpgroup]] for an example. It prefixes "Talk" onto "User:". ([[Template talk:Uw-speedy1]] redirected me here.) -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|^&trade;]] 08:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

:Hopefully fixed with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUw-speedy1&action=historysubmit&diff=424999313&oldid=424411786 this edit]. [[User:Dpmuk|Dpmuk]] ([[User talk:Dpmuk|talk]]) 10:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. I've been working on a new user warning. It's a [[WP:AGF|good faith]] notice for new editors who are likely to have violated [[WP:SOCK]] out of ignorance, not malice. It gives the new users a chance to get aware of the policy and cease the violations without dragging them into a stressful [[WP:SPI|investigation]]. It has already received a bit of praise on [[WP:HELPDESK]], so I think I'd let you see it as well and maybe help getting it operational. It's on [[User:Zakhalesh/Sandbox|my sandbox]] - '''feel free to edit it!''' All feedback will be appreciated. Thank you! [[User:Zakhalesh|Zakhalesh]] ([[User talk:Zakhalesh|talk]]) 06:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

:Looks good and useful. The only thing I'd change is maybe the phrase "Your editing habits" would sound better as "Your editing pattern". -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|^&trade;]] 21:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you. I've done the change because I agree it's good. Is this template going to be "official"? [[User:Zakhalesh|Zakhalesh]] ([[User talk:Zakhalesh|talk]]) 16:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

:::You're free to move it into template space anytime, but as far as it becoming an accepted community norm that would depend on how many use it and for how long. You may want to add it to [[Wikipedia:User warning templates]]. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|^&trade;]] 22:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Thank you - it's "online" at [[Template:Uw-agf-sock]]. [[User:Zakhalesh|Zakhalesh]] ([[User talk:Zakhalesh|talk]]) 16:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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::::Ah, a few more questions. First, it seems to screw up the user's sig if there's a space bar between the sig and the template (<nowiki>{{uw-agf-sock}} ~~~~</nowiki>). Also, should I mention this about somewhere else to get Twinkle to add it to their warning collection? [[User:Zakhalesh|Zakhalesh]] ([[User talk:Zakhalesh|talk]]) 14:57, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::Ok I think I fixed the sig issue. Leave a request at [[Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/RFA]] to get it added to the Twinkle menu. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|^&trade;]] 23:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Uw-block ==

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There have come to my attention that {{lt|Uw-hangonnocsd}} might be valid for inclusion in the official list of user warnings. Anyone for or against this? I know the template might need to be cleaned up before inclusion. _{→[[User:AzaToth|<span style="color:#773">Aza</span>]][[User_talk:AzaToth|<span style="color:#359">Toth</span>]]} 21:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

:I can see this being helpful, as I've warned a couple of people about using hangon tags during AfDs (I couldn't begin to tell you why they were). [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:MS Mincho"; color=":black;">話して下さい</fontspan>]]) 06:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

::I thought the hangon template was now deprecated since the use of the new CSD template with its 'contest' button. Or am I missing something? --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 00:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::It is, but like the expand template people still sometimes add it for some reason; if you remember [[Jamiroquai concerts]] or [[Agnes Obel concerts]], the creator used it on one of the PRODs. That being said, its usefulness is severely decreased. [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:MS Mincho"; color=":black;">話して下さい</fontspan>]]) 02:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Perhaps we should TfD it? It probably only serves to confuse the newbs. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 02:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Warning recission ==

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:There's certainly value in having both around. Since 3RR is a line-in-the-sand rule and disruption via edit warring can be more widespread but doesn't necessarily have to break 3RR, both have value in keeping around. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 13:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

::A block for 3RR is a lot less ambiguous than a block for edit warring—it's much easier to say "I wasn't edit warring" or "you can't block me, I only reverted X times", but if you violated the 3RR, you're banged to rights. I use both on a regular basis, and I know quite a few other admins do. There was a discussion about this a while ago which I believe resulted in a consensus not to do away with uw-3block. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Teal"; face="font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Navy"; face= "font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </fontspan>]] 13:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

:::The previous discussion can be found here: [[Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 11#Assume good faith on uw-3rr]]. [[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contribs]]) 16:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

::::Actually that's about uw-3RR, not uw-block. I had to do quite a bit of digging but I found the discussion I recalled: [[Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 11#Merge uw-block templates for edit warring and 3RR]], where thee other admins (not including me) opined in favour of keeping them separate. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Teal"; face="font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Navy"; face= "font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </fontspan>]] 16:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

:::::I actually meant that section; thanks for correcting me. [[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contribs]]) 17:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

::::::It's good to have both templates available. In practice I tend to use uw-ewblock even in plain 3RR cases, but other admins may have a different preference. In the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Archive_11#Merge_uw-block_templates_for_edit_warring_and_3RR previous discussion] linked above [[User:Protonk]] said he would rather use uw-3block for a case of ten reverts in 20 minutes. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 17:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Any thoughts? - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] _{[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]} 18:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

:That's possibly the stupidest policy subsection we currently have, mainly because the "consensus" formed for it was among a load of people who, for the most part, don't understand the purpose of a block notice. But still, if we're going to have a template for it, there's no need for it to be so aggressive. A simple "you're not allowed to remove that" would suffice, because if they're doing it just to be disruptive, they'll soon find themselves without talk page access. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Teal"; face="font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Navy"; face= "font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </fontspan>]] 19:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

::Is that even policy? I'm doubtful. I think a template for it is silly. If you're going tell someone they shouldn't remove something from their talk page (it's not tendentious and the disruption is mainly caused by the reverter) you should have decency to explain the real reason for it if you can come up with one. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] ^{[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]} 19:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

:::Alright. :) It was just a pondering thought. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] _{[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]} 19:29, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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:''(I was redirected here from [[Template talk:Uw-bizlist]]'')

"Wikia's [[Yellowikis]]" site doesn't seem to exist anymore (at least not at that URL). I've changed the link to point to http://wikicompany.org/ .. No objection if someone wants to remove the site suggestion part altogether. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|^&trade;]] 07:38, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Uw-sandbox ==

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In the case I referred to above, there is the added complication that someone has been rather hasty in giving final warnings. What is the best approach to that? [[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]] ([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]]) 17:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

: {{tl|uw-tempabuse1}} ?? ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<fontspan style="font-variant:small-caps;">talk→</fontspan>]]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;[[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]]&nbsp;'''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<fontspan style="font-variant:small-caps;">←track</fontspan>]]) 17:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

:This is a situation where I think it would be better not to use a template but rather leave a personalized message. There are a couple of reasons that I don't think a template should be used. First, the instances are pretty situational. Second, the editors leaving vandalism templates are normally regular contributors so it would violate [[Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars]].<tt> </tt>[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 17:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

::O.k., I left a personal message, and added a {{Tl|uw-vandalism2}} warning on the vandal's page (pretending that the previous message was level 1). It looks a bit silly, but documents the vandalism. [[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]] ([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]]) 18:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)