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It tightens the wording and dodges the potentially confusing "regular games at championship level" statement. I might be wrong, but would including a "the" before "numerous championship games" merely be redundant? — '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 02:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 
:Got rid of that exercise; a bit cumbersome. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''TONYTony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 14:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 
==1c, Ima Hogg==
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"Display" might also be better than "show off" (it depends on whether you wish to imply ostentation). [[User:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl</u>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226"><B>龱</B></u>]] 14:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for your comments, but I think your suggestions change the substantive meaning. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''TONYTony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 14:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::Even the final "the"? [[User:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl</u>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226"><B>龱</B></u>]] 16:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Absolutely: "the art" refers to specific art that the reader can recover not right there but in the preceding text, or from general knowledge—or it's specific because it's ''the'' art that the family had purchased; not any old art. To remove "the" changes the possible set of meanings. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''TONYTony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 16:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 
== 3d ==
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Also, in 3d there's still ''innovative although controversial, innovative'', is this just the tag placement? Thanks for making these exercises, they're a great help! I've never seen anything else like them on Wikipedia. [[user:delldot|<font color="#990066">delldot</font>]] <small>[[user talk:delldot|<font color="DarkRed">talk</font>]]</small> 15:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
:Fixed, I hope. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 04:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== Example 3e ==
 
The numbering of the phrases in the solution of example 3e is off. What happened to number five? — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 12:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:The new numbering system has fixed this, I hope. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 04:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== First ''SR Merchant Navy Class'' excercise ==
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--[[User:Ke6jjj|Ke6jjj]] ([[User talk:Ke6jjj|talk]]) 03:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 
I thought yes, you're right. Then I though, no. Please see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATony1%2FAdvanced_editing_exercises&diff=242169491&oldid=239294924 diff] and tell me whether you agree. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 04:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== 2.6 Charing Cross, Euston & Hampstead Railway ==
 
The section had "Exercise 2f" in the heading, and was the only one with such a prefix. I removed it. --[[User:AnOddName|an]] '''[[User_talk:AnOddName|odd]]''' [[Special:Contributions/AnOddName|name]] 08:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 12:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Problem with display ==
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Not sure if this is just my browser or what, but in at least one section ([[User:Tony1/Advanced editing exercises#Jane Zhang|Jane Zhang]]) the strikeout text doesn't show up as strikeout, it's just regular (ie, I'm seeing "During Throughout" instead of "During <s>Throughout</s>"). Is this happening for anyone else? Any ideas what might be causing it? '''[[User:Rjanag|r<font color="#8B0000"><span class="Unicode">ʨ</span></font>ana<span class="Unicode">ɢ</span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Rjanag|talk]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Rjanag|contribs]]</small></sub> 07:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
: It happens to me, too. The most recent version that works fine is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tony1/Advanced_editing_exercises&oldid=261420933 this one]. The page has a lot of opened HTML tags to begin with, so they should be closed. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 07:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks to both of you. Rjanang, You want to have a play with it? Looks perfect to me. Are you using ''Internet Explorer''? I do these in ''Safari''. Gary, maybe that is the problem. Can you give me an example of what an HTML tag is? I can then fix them. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 07:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::: I strongly suggest you use templates. It's a lot cleaner, easier to use, and makes it harder to break things in general. I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tony1/Advanced_editing_exercises&diff=270629080&oldid=270621943 updated the first section to show how it's done], which you can do for the rest of the sections. I'll do a few now but it's 4 am for me, so I won't be up for long. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 09:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: This is an example of an open HTML tag: {{bcode|1=<font color=maroon>This is maroon. <font color=black>This is black.}} This is incorrectly done; the {{bcode|<font>}} tags should be closed with a {{bcode|</font>}}. In fact, the page uses the tag correctly most of the time, but wherever {{bcode|1=<font color=black>}} is used in the code, it is used incorrectly like in my example, which is causing the page to appear a bit differently depending on the browser. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02b">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 09:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
*Oh Gary, beyond the call of duty. Thank you '''so much'''. It looks like a truckload of work, and your explanation here was very helpful. After 4 March, when my work-hell ends, I'm going through your changes to learn; then, I'll apply them to my other tutorial pages. I owe you! [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 09:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Okay, the entire page should be converted. The page loads much faster now than before; previously, the page took longer to load because of all the open HTML tags. At the end of the page, the browser had about 80 open tags; think about it like having 80 open applications on your computer. It slows down the computer. Closing the tag is like closing an application, allowing the computer to do something else.
 
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*[[User:Tony1/Advanced_editing_exercises#Wind power|Wind power]]
*[[User:Tony1/Advanced_editing_exercises#Wind power|SR Merchant Navy Class (2)]] [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 11:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::Thanks Tony.
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::'''[[User:Tony1/Advanced_editing_exercises#Wind power|Wind power]]''': At the moment there are two solutions that are identical – I guess you meant to remove the second. It still sounds a little odd to me: I'd have thought three blades '''''is''''' a design, not three blades '''''are''''' a design. But of course "three blades" has to be treated as plural in the first part. I'm no grammar expert so I'll defer to your judgment here. One more alternative: ''The most common design for modern windmills is a three-blade turbine, which minimises forces related to material fatigue.'' [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 12:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, another try! [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 14:06, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::::The changes look good to me, both here and at the redundancy exercises. I like the commentary on theme. Thanks for responding to my badgering :) [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 14:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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I would refer to that it is logical that the group was founded after/because of the proposal, so "was" would be redundant, and with an extra comma, but fewer words the message still stands clear. (PS: you've written "font colo'''u'''r", with a ''u'' so the corrected text is black, not red) --Regards, [[User:Mottenen|Mottenen]] ([[User talk:Mottenen|talk]]) 20:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
:Mottenan, they're too hard for ''me'', some of them. Seriously, I forget the mechanics of each after a while; perhaps I need to brush up on my editing skills by revisiting. Thanks for your comment and for picking up my engvar glitch. Retroactive inhibition, I think the psychologists call it. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 12:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC) PS I do think the meaning is different if "was" is removed. Without "was", the group seems to have self-formed; with it, there's some kind of agent that/who formed the group. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</font span>]] 12:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, maybe. It doesn't quite sound like that to me, but maybe I'm just not used to go that much into details when writing English. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, I just wanted to know if there was a specific reason you'd phrased it in that way, and yes there was :) --[[User:Mottenen|Mottenen]] ([[User talk:Mottenen|talk]]) 19:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 
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I'm sure you can improve on what I've written, but I hope my point is clear. :) [[User:SashaMarievskaya|SashaMarievskaya]] ([[User talk:SashaMarievskaya|talk]]) 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:You're an expert! Thanks for picking this up. I'll change it now. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk) </font span>]] 13:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 
== Exercise 6, again (David Bellamy) ==
 
Somehow the word "the" has crept into the current version of this example, as in "attracted support from ''the'' botanist and environmental campaigner". Is this intentional? I think it is unnecessary. [[User:Ke6jjj|Ke6jjj]] ([[User talk:Ke6jjj|talk]]) 21:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
:Ke6, thanks for raising this. I ''think'' the omission of the deictic "the" started in the US in journalistic and other registers, but that it's frowned on by US copy-editors in more formal text. I use it myself, and like it, but I'm wary in formal situations. [[User:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</font span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">(talk) </font span>]] 09:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 
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