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{{done}} Second one. Will work on the first one later. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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::{{replyto|MjolnirPants}} Thank you!--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 09:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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:The original images are so bad, not much can be done to help them. ([[User:Hohum|<font color="Green">'''Hohum'''</font>]] [[User talk:Hohum|<font color="Red"><sup>@</sup></font>]]) 21:34, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::Hohum is right on. Most of the trouble with them is the high level of [[Compression artifact|compression artifacts]]. I could repaint new images with those as a guide that might look pretty darn close, but it'd take a long time. If you can't find better versions, him me up on [[User talk:MjolnirPants|my talk page]] and I'll start on them. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::{{replyto|MjolnirPants}}Thank you for your disposition. However, my mission is to have the actual Vanity Fair caricatures uploaded, not replicas. Again, I thank you very much and I wish you a happy new year.--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 13:28, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I can certainly understand that. As a final offer, I can try to smooth out some of the compression artifacts, but the sad truth is that doing so requires that all the imagery behind the artifacts be recreated. This can result in an image that differs significantly from the original. Really, the best thing to do is try to find better versions. I'm sure that somewhere out there, with luck, you should be able to get your hands on some 300-1200DPI scans. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
On a side note, is this method here http://www.howtogeek.com/105215/how-to-remove-jpg-artifacts-and-ugly-image-distortion-from-photographs/ easy?--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 13:34, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
:I can do '''much''' better than that on these images, honestly. It's a good article, but it's kind of beginner level stuff, and doesn't work well on the levels of distortion these images have. The best thing to do is to smudge and blur by hand, following the contours and details. If you want, I can give it a shot, but as I mentioned above, that involves changing the image. It will be different from the original, but I can't say how much. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::I took a shot at the first one. Let me know what you think. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::{{replyto|MjolnirPants}}It is beautiful. The only difference I notice is the absence of the distortions. Could you also do the same with the other file?
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:::The only thing missing is the signature. Is it possible to cut-and-paste it from a clearer image?
:::--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 20:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
{{od|3}}Sure, I can work the other file. Give me a day or two to finish (I actually started the first one yesterday). I'm not sure what signature you're referring to, though. I don't see one in the original version, unless you're referring to what looks like three diagonal lines above and to the left of his feet. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::Yes, that is the signature. Compare it with the one at [[:File:Father John Vaughan, Vanity Fair, 30 January 1907.jpg]]--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 22:59, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|The Theosophist}} How's that? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::::{{ping|MjolnirPants}}Magnificent! Thank you very much and happy 2015! Can you do anything with the watermarks, above?--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 00:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
:I did the second one. It was a lot simpler than the first, actually. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::Thanks again!--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 23:00, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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{{ping|Hipposcrashed}} I just wanted to give you a heads up. Blurry images are some of the most difficult to fix. In this case, where there is a pronounced motion blur, as well as a shadow blur (the effect of having the same image double-exposed and slightly offset), it would take many hours of work to get something clear. Additionally, the result would look heavily edited, as if someone had applied a couple of filters to an image taken with a cellphone camera. I've spent some time working on it, but the result have been wholly unspectacular so far, and I just don't see any way of doing it right short of manually airbrushing the ever loving crap out of it. Sorry to disappoint, but I think you need to find a better image. I could whip up a digital painting of this image faster than I could restore this one, and though it might look a lot better, I don't think that would work very well. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::I concur with MjolnirPants, you could try looking around Commons for any similar images, {{Flickr free|Welcome to Louisiana}} all with Creative Commons-compatible licenses. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 22:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
:::That's a great link. From the first page: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/kenlund/3927475055/in/photolist-4vPAuw-c4nxAW-gbp3Z-6Z4kva-oCNL3f-bDSJW4-bp89S-dtbMW9-6PxHpp-afX3Zj-ahfka7-8QbCc5-4iSo7D-e8pJgz-JPDx1-4XN6Zz-57x8jh-8LtZPQ-8Sb3Qg-8H4Gwo-a78jej-5AQjk4-68S4jV-dNLLCe-ptfBjy-7fBft-dNSn2L-9wHwX9-8nQoNi-pKJcoh-9xcJNB-bouizY-ok2Mog-68WAtb-6Jy6iz-wd8yF-pKDS4r-5qCaPW-pHyvjd-ptdAne-9yujd7-6xFo97-e8keUu-51MfNj-pKJdef-dNLAwp-pKJbGs-dNLC7p-qSVY-8nQcQH Welcome to Louisiana, U.S. 61]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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: {{done}} How's that? Gimp isn't the best for this sort of thing, but I don't have access to Photoshop at the moment. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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:I think it's considerably better, thank you! can you even out the left-side margin, it's way bigger than the others.--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 11:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{done}}<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:Great, thank you!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 13:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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:Before I get too caught up (colorizing takes a while), could you possibly use [[:File:Catherine duchesse de Cambridge 2012.jpg]] ? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::The image was changed in the first place because people prefer more recent images. I guess the image you linked to could be used, but it needs cleaning up. Also the black and white image was taken at a better angle in my opinion. Take your time.--[[User:Hipposcrashed|Hipposcrashed]] ([[User talk:Hipposcrashed|talk]]) 18:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Okeydokey. I've been working on it intermittently all day so far. It'll be another two or three days before I'm finished. The truth is that there's no real way to get the colors '''exactly''' right when you're colorizing greyscale photographs. A keen eye will always be able to tell it's colorized, which is why I suggested the other one ( I could fix the glare in that one, but I can't do anything about the angle). So as long as you don't expect something indistinguishable from a color photograph, I think you'll like the result. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::I hope it will be "infobox-worthy". But that's not up to me to decide. When you're done with your version of it, I will suggest it on the talk page and hopefully people will like it enough to use it as the main image.--[[User:Hipposcrashed|Hipposcrashed]] ([[User talk:Hipposcrashed|talk]]) 18:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::That's probably a good idea. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be at least one person who hates it. The combination of the original being taken in B&W (which has a higher dynamic range than color) and the bright sunlight makes it hard to get the colors looking completely natural. Take a look up top. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
{{od}}Sadly I'm one of the people that hates this image. [http://cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/10/kate-middleton-day-4-new-zealand-04102014-08-400x470.jpg here] is a colour image of her taken the same day, which was easy to find, and could have been used as a reference. [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=middleton+mcqueen&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=gLmuVP-7LIKyUcGdgvAK&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1172&bih=915#q=middleton+mcqueen&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbs=ic:specific,isc:blue&imgdii=_ many more here]. ([[User:Hohum|<font color="Green">'''Hohum'''</font>]] [[User talk:Hohum|<font color="Red"><sup>@</sup></font>]]) 17:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:I have uploaded my own version, revert if you need. ([[User:Hohum|<font color="Green">'''Hohum'''</font>]] [[User talk:Hohum|<font color="Red"><sup>@</sup></font>]]) 17:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
::I have a few complaints about the version now, but for some reason or another, the image as shown in GIMP on my computer has a very different gradation of luminosity than it does when I upload. I've tried twice now to get it to display right, but it just doesn't, so I reverted myself. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::I managed to reset the color calibration in GIMP. I've uploaded aversion which combines mine and Hohum's submission. Revert if needed. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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::I meant the colour FFFFFF. But thats also fine.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|talk]]) 21:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Would you prefer pure white? I don't mind redoing it (I saved the selection as a channel, so it would only take a few seconds). <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::Yes, but it isn't worth the hassle.--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|talk]]) 13:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::How's that? Feel free to revert if you don't like it. Or, I can add shadows, make it look like they were photographed against a white background. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
Thanks, Mjölnir--[[User:Kopiersperre|Kopiersperre]] ([[User talk:Kopiersperre|talk]]) 23:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
:Anything for someone who can spell my name better than I. ;) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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{{done}} How does this look? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:: looks good! [[User:Gaff|Gaff]] ([[User talk:Gaff|talk]]) 19:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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::Yes. --[[User:Yerevantsi|<font color="red">'''Ե'''</font><font color="black">րևանցի</font>]] [[User talk:Yerevantsi|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
{{done}} See above. I did the best I could with the levels, but they were actually pretty good to begin with, it's just that silver is hard to photograph. I did get all of the compression distortion out of the polish, though. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::Thank you. --[[User:Yerevantsi|<font color="red">'''Ե'''</font><font color="black">րևանցի</font>]] [[User talk:Yerevantsi|<sup>talk</sup>]] 03:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
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:: Thank you so much for your work guys! This came out a lot better than I expected!! [[User:EtienneDolet|Étienne Dolet]] ([[User talk:EtienneDolet|talk]]) 06:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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I did some work on the first one. There's really not much that can be done to the second without a higher resolution copy. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:Nice work! I initially thought about doing this one, but fixing uneven brightness isn't one of my strengths. I have removed the scratch across his face though. ([[User:Hohum|<font color="Green">'''Hohum'''</font>]] [[User talk:Hohum|<font color="Red"><sup>@</sup></font>]]) 19:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
::Good catch. I completely missed it before I uploaded. That wasn't a scratch though: it was a mistake of mine. I use the quick mask mode to fix the uneven luminosity, and I add masking to the region I want to adjust and invert after the fact. Normally, it works really well so long as I'm patient and remember to blur to remove the brush artifacts, but this time, I accidentally went over the edge a little and didn't catch it.
::The quick mask/invert method is the best way I've found for selecting a region of uneven brightness. It usually works pretty well on glaring too, because it's so easy to see if your selection gradient matches the gradient of the pre-touchup image. Just remember to check your edges by exiting quick mask mode, turning off the ant line and dragging around the sliders on the brightness and contrast adjustments (I didn't do that this time , which is why I messed up). Once you get the selection right, use curves or levels to do the actual adjusting, as I've found the luminosity differences are mostly in the mid tones. Sometimes it takes a couple of passes with ever-expanding regions of adjustment, but the results are usually near-perfect. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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::That looks much better, thanks! I don't know if much more can be done given the quality of the source photo. No need to retouch the group photo for now, unless someone requests it in the future. Cheers. [[User:Animalparty|--Animalparty--]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|talk]]) 19:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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::Could you please make it a bit less brighter? --[[User:Yerevantsi|<font color="red">'''Ե'''</font><font color="black">րևանցի</font>]] [[User talk:Yerevantsi|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
:::How now? (brown cow) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::Not exactly what I hoped for, but would do. Thank you. --[[User:Yerevantsi|<font color="red">'''Ե'''</font><font color="black">րևանցի</font>]] [[User talk:Yerevantsi|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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::Great! --[[User:Yerevantsi|<font color="red">'''Ե'''</font><font color="black">րևանցի</font>]] [[User talk:Yerevantsi|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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:I would say there isn't really much that could be done to improve the image in all honesty. There isn't enough detail to work with, best bet really would be try to and source a better image. Regards, <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger|</i> <b style="color:#3CB371">✉</b>]] 20:24, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{done}} Fallschirmjäger is right in that there's not much to be done. However, after doing an image search myself (flikr, google, bing, yahoo, tineye, yandex, dogpile and a few others I have in a script) and not finding anything better than an enlargement of the face in this photo, I've done what I could. Really, if this article is dear to you, I would suggest hitting the pavement and contacting some museums and archives that might have better quality images of him. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::Looks great, thanks! I too had tried looking for a copy after uploading but couldn't. The only regret I have is that his right eye looks blurred. Is there any way it can be fixed by using the already existing image in his article (same picture, but just a head shot and better quality)? I don't know much about photo editing so I don't know if that is possible, but I thought it worth asking. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Steverci|Steverci]] ([[User talk:Steverci|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steverci|contribs]]) 23:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::I actually already gave that a shot. I couldn't get the curves to match up the face with the rest, so I ended up masking out everything but the eyes, which only made for a very slight improvement. At this resolution, this is pretty much as good as it gets, sorry. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::Don't apologize, you did a great job. --[[User:Steverci|Steverci]] ([[User talk:Steverci|talk]]) 22:59, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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