Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion: Difference between revisions

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I agree that people need to make an argument when they list a page. However, won't removing listings when people don't make one just make VfD harder to use for people not very familiar with it? Just because they don't state one of the correct reasons for deletion doesn't mean a page should not be deleted. See also [[Wikipedia:Deletion requests]], where [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] proposed having a separate section for the reasons for deletion to be listed. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 23:44, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

:Do you think my template proposal could help advance these ends? - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 23:57, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

::I do believe that template manages to implement my suggestion in the most obnoxious way possible. Well done - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 00:56, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Part of the issue is that David Gerard does not consider lack of "notability" to be a valid grounds for deletion, and many other editors do. People find support for "notability" as a grounds for deletion in [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]], although that policy article does not directly use the term "notability". Notwithstanding that, it is among the most common reasons for the nomination of an article for deletion, and among the most common reasons given when people vote to delete. It is a shorthand for "not encyclopedic" and for many of the grounds listed in [[WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]] under "Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base". (I notice Dan100 has recently changed the the phrase "no potential to become encyclopedic" as the first-listed reason for a VfD nomination out of [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_policy&diff=10402874&oldid=10137016] How can he edit key aspects of policy unilaterally?) When David says people are not citing valid reasons for deletion, he wants to force them to stop appealing to "notability", which he does not agree is a valid reason, or even valid shorthand for a valid reason. By the way, concerning the issue of notability as a grounds for deletion on VfD, I recommend the very insightful comments by [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] recently in [[Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Notability not a criterion for deletion?]] --[[User:BM|BM]] 02:13, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)