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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 02:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# (minor copyedit) [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:20, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 02:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 02:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Full support, but as a matter of style, I might introduce the principle by describing what the policy does cover before turning to what it does not. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# While I understand Euryalus' concerns, I still think this is a necessary principle here. SPAs who edit appropriately and neutrally are welcome regardless, but hyperfocused editors not staying neutral or behaving badly can be very disruptive indeed. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 02:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Support, but see my comment below. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# In my opinion, this is useful guidance for editors and sysop going forward, as we are about to authorise discretionary sanctions in this topic area: this principle lets people know what the standards of behaviour are likely to be at AE. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: I strongly agree with Salvio's comment below. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 01:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# With the understanding that the occasional outburst should be forgiven and that the fact an editor was trying to protect Wikipedia and uphold its policies may be invoked in mitigation. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:25, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 17:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:01, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:09, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 14:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#: Working with Salvio is always educational. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# See also my comment below. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:54, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 18:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 19:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 18:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:#This definitely applies here. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:34, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 19:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 19:39, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 19:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 01:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 01:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# The links are to the ''article'' entitled "Gamergate controversy." I express no view as to whether there actually exists an identifiable real-world thing that is best described as a "GamerGate controversy," or whether a different designation would better describe the entire fiasco. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 03:02, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 05:24, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 01:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 01:54, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# "The dispute" actually comprises an entire series of disputes, some serious and others less so, some legitimate and others less so, some between two sides both acting in good faith and others less so. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 03:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I strongly agree with Brad --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 05:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 15:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:13, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:Comments:

:::One diff appears to be a duplicate, so I removed it. {{ping|Beeblebrox}} did you mean to refer to some other diff? '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:13, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

=== Gamaliel ===

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:# Per NYB. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 09:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per NYB -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# {{ping|DGG}} in my opinion, there isn't much point in a FoF of this sort if we cannot support a sanction. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:Abstain:

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:::<s>I'm not sure whether what follows in the relevant remedy should also be mentioned here to some degree, for maximum clarity. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

::{{ping|LFaraone}}Perhaps having this might help to show we're aware of the issue, and chose not to sanction. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 23:58, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# on balance '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:35, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Edit warring yes, though mitigated by context. Improper use of sources is arguable. Battleground not made out on this evidence. Supporting as enough of the claim is technically accurate, but this is a weak endorsement only. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 21:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Per other opposers and my comments below. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 21:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Some of this is correct, but the alternate wording below is a more accurate reflection of the evidence. [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 04:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:Abstain:

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:# Second choice, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 13:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Second choice. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 13:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 00:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#'''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# I added three more diffs for "battleground conduct." [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 03:35, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 04:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# FoF true, although what should be done as a result is somewhat independent. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Edit-warring is technically true. Battleground is not made out. Previous sanctions are a matter of record. Supporting, but only just. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 09:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 03:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Noting for the record that I imposed the October 2012 interaction ban as an AE admin, and that I do not believe this requires recusal, per the last sentence of the first paragraph of [[WP:ARBPOL#Recusal of arbitrators]]. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 06:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:54, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Added a few more diffs and moved to support. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 22:04, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# As amended. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:Oppose:

::: <s>Agreed with Courcelles that the third diff is worth mention, but it may be the only one. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 07:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

::: <s>As stated by [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]]. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:#

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:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 16:33, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 14:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Support for the thrust of the finding though not necessarily each and every diff. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 19:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 05:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Support for the thrust of the finding though not necessarily each and every diff. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 19:45, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 21:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:51, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 01:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 01:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 02:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 05:34, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#: On reflection, I think the wording of the finding as well as the former caption (thanks for the edit) places too much emphasis on the account's alleged SPA status rather than the actual problems with the editing. However, I do agree there were some problems. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 19:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:50, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Being a SPA is not an offence. Weak support re "battleground." -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 19:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Similar line of thinking as Euryalus. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I'm not sure a finding against this editor is essential, but I can support the thrust of the finding, though not necessarily each and every diff. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:03, 22 January 2015 (UTC) I do note, though, that the editor voluntarily disengaged from this topic-area some time ago. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:#''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Not as written. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 03:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I frankly don't believe his participation in the topic has been helpful, but that is not a basis for an arbitration finding. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 22:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC) On reflection, that comment comes off more harshly than I intended, so I withdraw it. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# per NYBrad. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# No. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 01:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 23:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I also echo Beeblebrox. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# +1 to all of the above. Administrator activity in AE is critical to the effectiveness of community and committee sanctions, and I greatly respect all those so willing. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 03:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 03:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# With some doubts about the very wide scope of point b. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC), modified 21:21 25 January (UTC)

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:#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 19:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 19:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 20:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Some minor copyedits (including the reference to pending changes). Any arb may revert the copyedits in whole or part if undesired. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 21:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 17:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# First choice. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:35, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# First choice. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#Too narrow. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 16:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Prefer 2.1 [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 17:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:Abstain:

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:# Switching to support. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 17:07, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

:# switching to support. This is sadly needed --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 21:55, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 20:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

:Oppose:

::: <s>[[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 17:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

::: <s>'''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# Insufficient evidence to support this remedy, per my comments on the Finding. I'd back an admonishment, but conduct issues here will otherwise be addressed via the inevitable application of Discretionary Sanctions. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 22:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I don't see sufficient evidence for this. Any future incidents can be dealt with at AE. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 04:54, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 04:54, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 04:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <s>'''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 19:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)</s> Second choice. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 20:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Equal first choice, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#Distant second choice. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# per Courcelles '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Switched from support, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 11:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per Beeblebrox. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 22:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# A bit of a strange way to go about it. I have no problem with the concept, but for this particular use and this particular case it does feel like we are doing anything to stay short of a siteban. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per other opposers, though I would have favored this over a siteban if things came to that. Ryulong should, however, ask himself why this is even being considered. "Everyone trolls me on all topics all of the time" is not the answer. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 22:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#If the 1RR does not pass, then first choice of what's left. Still oppose if the 1RR somehow moves back to passing. The more I look at the history here, the more I am sure the problems are far wider than just this single topic, as I see it, Ryulong doesn't seem able to "hold his fire", and not get into edit wars. This also, per his block log, is independent of topic areas. Without very, very strong measures to stop them from continuing to edit war throughout the encyclopedia, I don't think we have any other choice. Also, even to this morning, I still see evidence of ongoing battleground mentality. I really, really don't like this, but I can't support their staying on the project without a strict 1RR and a topic ban at this point. And only one of those is going to pass. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 22:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I was really on the fence on this one, and I'm really unimpressed with Ryulong continuing the behavior we previously highlighted as problematic. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 02:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Switch from oppose. Evidence and case/block history suggests that this user will be a continued source of sanctionable behaviour regardless of topic area. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Given the circumstances here, I don't think this is called for. For clarity's sake, though, this is very likely the absolute last chance. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 01:14, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: <s>'''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# Finally decided, on the basis of arguments submitted to arb com. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 19:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Can't hurt, but definitely not an alternative to other sanctions (unless, of course, the siteban passes). [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 22:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# In addition to the other sanctions, if he is not immediately banned. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Support alongside other sanctions. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 02:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Iff the ban does not pass. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# In conjunction with the other sanctions, if the site ban does not pass. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: <s> If the site ban does not pass & in addition to all other restrictions. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# In conjunction with any other sanctions. Ryulong has a long history of disruptively edit warring and that must stop. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# In a package with 5.1 and 5.4. --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#: <s>They're fairly far gone. If they return with the same problematic behavior bring them to ARCA, or apply the passed sanctions, but I don't see a reason to sanction this user, although I will note that their behavior ''was'' poor. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# on further reflection. If they become problematic DS will fix it --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 19:53, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 20:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# For balance, considering the nature of her infractions. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Extremely weak support. Their behavior probably did warrant it, although the benefit of sanctioning them after they left is limited. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <s>Would support if 6.1 were not currently passing, so vacuous support.</s> '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Second choice. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 19:54, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Iff the topic ban does not pass. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 09:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# No, I think this is one of those cases where conduct has improved from prior appearances before the Committee. This development should continue. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 20:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per NYB. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 22:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Tarc's behavior here wasn't perfect, but it was better, and notably the deliberately disruptive point making was not at issue here. I'm willing to hope that continues. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Not at the siteban threshold. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Equal first choice, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#second choice [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#In a package with 7.3 and 7.4 --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#: Equal first choice, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per Seraphimblade. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 22:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 19:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Third choice. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 04:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 05:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:Comments:

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:#: Second choice to all of 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 02:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Last choice. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:#

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Equal first choice, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#Second choice as this just seems like "kicking the can down the road" [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 20:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# In conjunction with 8.2 and 8.4 provided they pass. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 17:59, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# This is more restrictive than necessary in my view, but I can support it as part of an alternative to a siteban. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: <s> <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 19:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC) </s>

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 05:36, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Iff the site ban does not pass. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 17:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# With 8.2 and 8.3, if they pass. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 17:59, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 19:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 19:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per T. Canens, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 15:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 15:42, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#:Do you think we need an 8.1? --[[User:In actu|In actu (Guerillero)]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 23:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Though there was poor behavior here, I don't think a formal admonishment is needed. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 22:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 13:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 17:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Switch to oppose, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 15:50, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:#Per my remarks below. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 21:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 23:27, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: <s>&nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 23:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)</s>Switch to oppose.

:#: <s>'''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 03:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# I believe this does not require prior warning, should that be made explicit? [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 03:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: It depends how tough on SPAs/Newbies we wish to be. I believe we should always have a warning especially as whenever I ask the consensus always seems to be that nobody reads editnotices anyway. Whether this deals with existing SPAs hovering around the topic quickly enough is another matter ... &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 04:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# On second thoughts, I agree with Roger. We have already authorised discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict; on top of that, administrators can still use their "traditional" powers to deal with disruptive editors who haven't yet been warned. In light of that, this remedy would be superfluous. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 12:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# On reflection, I agree with Roger and Salvio. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 18:11, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:57, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Although the impetus behind the proposal is sound, I think this is unnecessary in light of the DS remedy that is passing unanimously, and risks triggering too many debates about which accounts fall within the scope or not. I do, however, believe that an account's overall editing history (or lack of one) may be relevant in deciding whether a discretionary sanction is warranted, and if so what the sanction should be. This cuts both ways, and administrators must use good judgment is trying to, for example, distinguish new good-faith users making rookie mistakes from new bad-faith disruption accounts. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 13:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per Salvio, Brad. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 23:45, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 18:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 18:45, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 17:18, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Not supported by the current evidence. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 16:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I rescinded the FoF that would have supported this --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 20:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Insufficient evidence at this time. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 14:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 18:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:45, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 04:35, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# No FoF justifying this is passing. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 20:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 07:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Per Beeblebrox, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 05:33, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# Per other opposers, but this user seriously needs to clean up his act or he is not going to last. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:Abstain:

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:# Although I am rather doubtful that our saying this platitude will make a difference one way or another. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 21:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:# I actually do think this sort of remedy is potentially helpful. If even one or two solid, uninvolved, experienced editors were to enter the area, that could be very worthwhile. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 10:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:52, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 19:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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:# Per NYB. I want another day to think about it. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

:#: <s>Same here. I haven't really made up my mind on one remedy yet and would like to think about it a little more. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# Per NYB. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 18:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

:#:<s> Another day is needed, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 18:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)</s>

:# There's still a couple things to work out. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 18:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)