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*:It's an interesting point to which I can't conjure a convincing answer, so I think I'll strike my above comment. The annual pageviews for California are higher than Java (programming language), but even if they weren't I'd still say California. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 00:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
*::Thanks for giving consideration and even changing your position. I’m sure we wouldn’t be having this discussion if the name was “California” rather than “Java”. Or “Japan” or even “Dublin”. —[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 04:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
*:::For better or worse, California takes up a much more prominent place in the global imagination than does Java. Despite its much smaller population, its article gets read by five times as many readers [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/redirectviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-04-01&end=2019-04-30&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&page=California] [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/redirectviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-04-01&end=2019-04-30&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&page=Java]. – Uanfala ([[User talk:Uanfala|talk]]) 09:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose both''' - for the various reasons I (and others) suggest above including systematic bias, and long term relevance. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 23:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose both'''. per above. 1 million pageviews is becoming irrelevant when we talk about 147 million people, the most populous island in the entire world (more than [[Russia]]). We don't move [[C (programming language)]] to [[C]], just because it has significantly [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2019-05-16&end=2022-05-16&pages=C|C_(programming_language) more views]. [[User:Bluesatellite|Bluesatellite]] ([[User talk:Bluesatellite|talk]]) 03:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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