Talk:Presto (SQL query engine): Difference between revisions

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* '''Specific text to be added or removed''': Remove text "Neither the creators of Presto, nor the top contributors and committers, were invited to join this foundation." ''':

* '''Reason for the change''': This claim is controversial and can likely lead to a [[WP:Battle]]. The statement doesn't support or help readers understand Presto or Trino and isn't [[WP:NEUTRAL]]''':

* '''Remove text "Neither the creators of Presto, nor the top contributors and committers, were invited to join this foundation." ''':

* '''References supporting change''': This claim made by Piotr (top 5 contributor to both projects) states that neither they nore the creators Martin, Dain, and David were invited<ref>{{cite web |last1=Findeisen |first1=Piotr |title=What is the relationship of prestosql and prestodb? · Issue #380 · trinodb/trino |url=https://github.com/trinodb/trino/issues/380#issuecomment-557691046 |website=GitHub |access-date=4 October 2022 |language=en}}</ref>. Later in 2020 there was a vacuous invitation to merge the Trino project into the Presto project under the terms that Martin, Dain, and David would no longer be on the steering committee. This was extended years after the contending project was established and from the perspective of the creators was posturing of the Presto community to show that they aimed to join the communities. It seems pretty clear why we're pushing two different accounts but this really doesn't matter to anyone who wants to use Presto or Trino so I think removing either claim is a benefit to everyone.''':

* '''This claim is controversial and can likely lead to a [[WP:Battle]]. The statement doesn't support or help readers understand Presto or Trino and isn't [[WP:NEUTRAL]]''':

* '''This claim made by Piotr (top 5 contributor to both projects) states that neither they nore the creators Martin, Dain, and David were invited<ref>{{cite web |last1=Findeisen |first1=Piotr |title=What is the relationship of prestosql and prestodb? · Issue #380 · trinodb/trino |url=https://github.com/trinodb/trino/issues/380#issuecomment-557691046 |website=GitHub |access-date=4 October 2022 |language=en}}</ref>. Later in 2020 there was a vacuous invitation to merge the Trino project into the Presto project under the terms that Martin, Dain, and David would no longer be on the steering committee. This was extended years after the contending project was established and from the perspective of the creators was posturing of the Presto community to show that they aimed to join the communities. It seems pretty clear why we're pushing two different accounts but this really doesn't matter to anyone who wants to use Presto or Trino so I think removing either claim is a benefit to everyone.''':

[[User:Brianolsen2|Brianolsen2]] ([[User talk:Brianolsen2|talk]]) 16:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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I agree with [[User:StevenMih88|StevenMih88]]'s first and third requests above and I have created a formal request edit for the third one as it will make the page less divisive.

I disagree that we should remove "Presto (including PrestoDB, and PrestoSQL which was re-branded to Trino)". For about two years after the projects split, [[Trino_(SQL_query_engine) |Trino]] was branded as PrestoSQL vs the original PrestoDB brand for nearly two years after the projects splitproject before it was renamed to Trino<ref>{{cite web |last1=Phillips |first1=David |last2=Sundstrom |first2=Dain |last3=Traverso |first3=Martin |title=We’re rebranding PrestoSQL as Trino |url=https://trino.io/blog/2020/12/27/announcing-trino.html |website=trino.io |access-date=4 October 2022 |language=en |date=27 December 2020}}</ref>. There are many people using the PrestoSQL name that are unknowninglyunknowingly using earlier versions of the Trino fork. It will help many to know that if they are using PrestoSQL and which version they have actually been using. In fact, having a clear ___location on both pages where we delineate between the differences of both project and cross reference will help users in general. Despite Trino being included in the [[Presto_(SQL_query_engine)#See_also]] section, they might not know to investigate that version if they are on PrestoSQL. So keeping that distinction is important, just as the distinction is made in the [[Trino_(SQL_query_engine)#History]] section.

[[User:Brianolsen2|Brianolsen2]] ([[User talk:Brianolsen2|talk]]) 17:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)