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::I agree that it does not "need" changes—very little onwiki "needs" to be fixed. Copyright issues do in fact need to be fixed, so I believe we should proactively prevent them. With all due respect, I politely disagree that we need to wait for feedback: we improve pages without prompting from the intended audience all the time. [[Wikipedia:The perfect article|The perfect article]] does not exist; look at the second sentence in [[Wikipedia:Editing policy]]. This page always can, and should, be improved.<span id="HouseBlaster:1667929429546:Help_talkFTTCLNUnreviewed_new_page" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|Blaster]]<sup>[[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]</sup> 17:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)</span>
:::I agree that it would be better to link to a new simple-language help page on image reuse and general copyrights. But until we have such a place, I think this should be left as it. The major point here is telling them to write in their own words. Saying {{tq|(some material may be in the public ___domain or compatibly licensed for reuse in Wikipedia)}} is just to note that there are some exceptions, but this is not the right help page to explain that in more detail. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#034503">MB</b>]] 19:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
::::20 years of organic growth has turned Wikipedia policies into a minefield of walls of text some of which are over 12 print pages long. It's not possible to pro-actively prevent COPYVIO because at NPP we are dealing with new pages that have already been created. Nobody reads walls of text any more than most of us bother to read the T&C before buying something online. This does not help new users and/or near native English speakers to understand why we don't want a page on their garage band or chunks of text copied from their school's prospectus or website or any other print or Internet media. Educating new users is a very fine and delicate line, particularly where the WMF policy is to include all new articles irrespective of quality, and boost the number of users irrespective of their motives. We are already having discussions with the WMF about what can be done about that, but one thing at a time - the engineering side of the WMF is a very torpid animal. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 04:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)