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http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=39175 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.95.141.46|68.95.141.46]] ([[User talk:68.95.141.46|talk]]) 10:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Is this an old issue which has since been corrected, or is it current? The material can be added to the article if it is cited in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] and is encyclopedic. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">-- [[User:Trevj#top|Trevj]]</span> ([[User talk:Trevj#top|talk]]) 13:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:I believe this is the the same issue that resulted in the article being protected [[Talk:Raspberry_Pi/Archive_4#Article_is_now_under_pending_changes_protection|here]]. So far I don't think any reliable sources have been produced - it has so far been mostly POV pushing. '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 14:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 
::There are some sources that cover this:
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Are you suggesting that a link to the organization's own forum where people actively working on the problems are discussing it is not reliable??? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.95.141.46|68.95.141.46]] ([[User talk:68.95.141.46|talk]]) 23:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Largely, no. See [[WP:SPS]]. Sources should be both reliably published and ideally independent of the subject. '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 19:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 
:Let me check... Yup, I still have the ability to go on the official Raspberry Pi forum and claim that the Raspberry Pi is made out of actual raspberry pies, and then to make the same claim on Wikipedia using the official Raspberry Pi forum as a source. Do you see the problem? --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 20:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
::mmmm raspberry <s>pi</s> pie -- <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid darkgreen;margin-top:1px;bottom:1px;font-verdana;background:lightblue" > [[User:Taroaldo|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''Taroaldo'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Taroaldo|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">'''✉'''</fontspan>]]</span></small> 20:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
::Just licked mine and I can ''confirm'', they're made of raspberry pies. '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 20:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 
If you bothered to read the thread I linked, you might notice it is 6 pages of posts from a large number of people in a locked thread. Several of the people work for the organization and this can be verified.
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[[Special:Contributions/80.187.109.172|80.187.109.172]] ([[User talk:80.187.109.172|talk]]) 00:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:Do you have any reliable sources for this? Please be aware that Wikipedia articles are encyclopaedia articles and not technical manuals, material must be supported by reliable sources (published news articles for example, not forums). '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 13:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
::This is like saying that a desktop computer is "useless without the video BIOS provided by nVidea". Because that is what the "blob" is, it is the equivalent of the video BIOS. and other computers also cannot boot without the video BIOS contained in ROM on the video card. This isn't an issue as the blob is freely distributed with the PI, just as the video BIOS is freely distributed with the video card. Just as normal users do not care about the BIOS in their video cards, why should PI users care about this non-problem. You can remark about this technical difference, but not in the context of a "problem". [[User:Mahjongg|Mahjongg]] ([[User talk:Mahjongg|talk]]) 12:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)