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:: OK, thanks {{ping|La lopi}} If you need some further update please let me know. At this stage I consider it {{Done}} [[User:Ikonact|Ikonact]] ([[User talk:Ikonact|talk]]) 07:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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== Topographical map of southern England ==
;Article(s):
: [[Downland]], and may also be useful on multiple articles we have on specific downs.
;Request:
: I want to create a map of the [[downland]] in the UK. For this I need a topographical map of southern England. I can add the annotation of hill range names myself. The map needs to go at least as far north as Cambridge and at least as far West as Exeter. To the south and the east it needs to go all the way to the sea. Thanks, [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 15:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
;Discussion:
Note that [[:File:Blank topographic map of the British Isles.svg]] already exists. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 15:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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:@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] I might be able to help but it depends on some stuff.
:*The map you linked to is not very nice and accurate when you zoom in on it to the degree needed for your request.
:*I mainly don't work with datasets/shapefiles so I do most of my work "by hand". For this it means I would create the topographic lines/areas from tracking a topographic bitmap and then work further with it in Inkscape.
:*So that in combination with your knowledge of this subject I think it would work, but it would not be the exact height curves you can see on OpenStreetMap or Google map.
:So please let me know what you say about this, thanks. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 16:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Goran tek-en}}. I was born in this kind of country, but I don't claim any special knowledge or expertise. I'm not concerned that areas follow an exact contour line. In fact, I don't think that one can really define downland as highland above a specific contour. More accurate would be the boundary of chalk outcrops as shown, for instance, on Ordnance Survey's "ten mile" geological survey map. There's an app available [https://www.bgs.ac.uk/map-viewers/bgs-geology-viewer/ here], but I have to say it is a lot clearer on my old printed map which doesn't split the geology into so many fine strata. What I want to end up with is a map of the locations of the major named features of downland which are all found in our article in the [[Downland#Distribution]] section. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 17:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] So not really a topographic map.
:::Most of the maps I find has copyright on them so we can't just copy them but have to transfer them ''"eye to hand"''.
:::*I did try to open [https://geologyviewer.bgs.ac.uk/?_ga=2.106618699.955965771.1673028859-979842400.1673028859 BGS Geology Viewer] but it never finished loading so I guess I don't have the necessary hard/software for it.
:::*Are any of those what you are looking for, [https://pubs.rsc.org/image/article/2019/EM/c8em00437d/c8em00437d-f1_hi-res.gif 1] or [https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.bgs.ac.uk%2Fgroundwater%2Fimages%2FkarstAquifers%2Fcarbonates.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.bgs.ac.uk%2Fgroundwater%2Fabout%2FkarstAquifers%2Fhome.html&tbnid=np7xo8aFagXCvM&vet=12ahUKEwj7m-G3xLP8AhUhpIsKHdilD-kQMygWegUIARDtAQ..i&docid=nIfMoDHTCflpDM&w=777&h=780&q=chalk%20outcrops%20south%20england&ved=2ahUKEwj7m-G3xLP8AhUhpIsKHdilD-kQMygWegUIARDtAQ 2]
:::*Another option is that if you have printed maps you say is what you want, that you scan them, send to me but still it would have to be ''"eye to hand"''.
::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
[[File:Geological map of Southern England (part upload for assessment).png|thumb]]
:::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} My map is 41 inches by 32 inches and I can only scan up to A4, so it would have to be done in parts. The good news is it's out of copyright. Your first link is nowhere near as detailed, but is probably good enough for our purposes. The chalkland north of The Wash is not usually called ''downs'', it's [[The Wolds]] and I'm in two minds whether to include it. Perhaps we should to make it as generally useful in as many articles as possible. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 22:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] You have to be very specific, now you are talking about maybe use one of my links but you have also uploaded a scan.
:*I'm sorry to be this "troublesome" but you have to specifically tell me which image/s to use, I have zero knowledge and I don't have you target image in my head as you do.
:*If the upload is a part of what you need it will work fine with me. If so, upload (or send me by email) all the needed part scans and I will assembly them. It's great it's out of copyright.
:*If this with your scans works we can (if you need) create two maps, one more detailed and one less detailed.
: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 13:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
{{I take| --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 14:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC)}}
::* {{ping|Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en}} Sorry for being vague. When I first made the request there was not a clear idea in my head of what was needed and I thought a map maker might want some input. So let's firm this up. Please use my geological survey map as a basis. Make a map of all the chalk formation outcrops in England. These are the light green areas on the map if you have not worked that out already. When you get the rest of the map, it is marked h<sup>5</sup> in the map key. You can leave out all the small clay "enclaves" within the chalk outcrops, those are details that are just going to detract from the purpose of the map. I'll assess whether we need a cropped image to a more focused area once you have made it.
::: As a separate request (not necessarily for you to do), do you think it would be possible to have someone remove the fold lines from a complete, rejoined image? This would be a nice map to have for all sorts of purposes. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 14:18, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:::{{u|Spinningspark}} Thanks now I get it. Yes I might want to give some input but I still have to understand what you are looking for and needing, then I will add what ever I can add.<br>
:::*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X5mOxdAcuK8K-m57K9NqP4jr5kuK4iAf/view?usp=sharing Is this the overall area you want?]
:::*I might be able to help you with the second request also. I'm not sure it can be completely removed but improved. Try to flatten out the map (put pressure on it) as much as you can when scanning, to reduce the folding lines.
:::*I will also need the name/number of the map and information why it's out of copyright, thanks. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 14:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:::# Yes, that will do nicely
:::# I started to scan the map, but my PC has just decided it has lost the scanner driver. I'll have to come back to this another day after I've sorted that out. Because of the size, it is going to be 20 or so separate scans.
:::# It's out of copyright because Crown Copyright expires after 50 years (see my upload for suitable license tag). This map is the 2nd edition published 1957 (and I've had it almost as long). There are two titles. One on the cover says "Geological Survey "Ten-mile" Map: Sheet 2". On the map itself it says "Geological Map of Great Britain: Sheet 2, England and Wales". [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 16:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:::#:@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] Have you decided what to do, scan in a shop or send it to me? --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 11:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
:::#:: The physical map is already on its way to you as dicussed on e-mail. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 16:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
:::#:::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] Please always ping me, thanks.
:::#:::Ye,s I saw it as discussions not a decision but that's fine. Will let you know when I got it. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 12:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
:::#::::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] I haven't received anything yet, can you find another map, or similar, or what shall we do? --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 13:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:::#::::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} Sorry for the delay in responding, I have very little time for Wikipedia at the moment. That's upsetting news. I guess the best thing to do is go with one of the maps you found online [https://pubs.rsc.org/image/article/2019/EM/c8em00437d/c8em00437d-f1_hi-res.gif]. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 17:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:::#::::::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] It's your request so it's up to you what sources to use but I [https://www.bgs.ac.uk/geology-projects/regional-geological-summaries/ just found this.] If you click on the areas of interest/download and check in the pdf there are maps with with a yellowish area marked Chalk Group. Is those what you want?
:::#::::::*If so I want you to check [https://www.bgs.ac.uk/information-hub/licensing/ licensing] and [https://www.bgs.ac.uk/bgs-intellectual-property-rights/using-bgs-copyright-material/ copyright] what I can use it for. If I can redraw (copy) or if I just can use it as information?
:::#::::::Remember that it is for commons and not wikipedia, different rules. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:::#::::::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} I would say don't use it. The mapping is very course compared to a proper BGS map – it looks more diagrammatic than map to me. Certainly nowhere near the detail on a proper BGS map. Even the coast outline does not look particularly accurate. The Isle of Sheppey, for instance, is set much more distant from the mainland than it actually is (compare the satellite view on Google maps). [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 18:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:::#::::::::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] I didn't intend to use that kind of info from those maps, the question was really, are Chalk Group areas correct enough for you?
:::#::::::::If so consider the copyright info above. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 16:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
:::#::::::::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} I've already answered on accuracy. I said above which map we should go with. I'm not an expert on copyright so you can't ask me to pronounce on it. You're the mapmaker so you should be in a better position to judge. But it is my understanding that data is not copyrightable so the boundary of a geological outcrop is no more subject to copyright than a coastline or the path of a river. I had a map that was out of copyright and now it's been lost. I valued that map and this conversation is beginning to drive me to distraction over it. I really don't have anything else I can usefully put in. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 15:51, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
{{ping|Spinningspark}} I do understand you have lost a map which you valued, I'm sorry for that.<br>
Yes, I do have questions as I'm really trying my best to create a map you will be happy with but for that I need a good source. As you haven't provided that I'm trying to find one and therefore I have questions, I have zero knowledge of this subject, please bear that in mind.<br>
*I have a draft for you now based on three sources: [https://maps-for-free.com/ maps-for-free.com], [https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-kb57/England/ en-gb.topographic-map.com] and [https://pubs.rsc.org/image/article/2019/EM/c8em00437d/c8em00437d-f1_hi-res.gif pubs.rsc.org], so the draft is a mix of those.
*I have added some rivers and names as well as some cities but you have to tell me what you want in the "base" map, we haven't really discussed that.
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/132ZkmKolt20c-tp_uPfN070pJIv2ea-K/view?usp=sharing Check this Draft-1] and give me feedback, thanks. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 19:56, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
*: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} That's looking great! The intention is to overlay this map with the names of the hill ranges which need to stand out against the base map. For that reason, can you tone down to grey the names of towns and maybe also slightly desaturate the town and river colours. Thanks, [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 10:26, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
*::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] I can do that, but don't you want me to add them onto the map now? To my understanding it would be a better outcome if it's all in the same map but maybe I misunderstand you. Will be back with a new draft. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
*:::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rfpzX6uXxNGi6twziaAvjpAOIlCCpptN/view?usp=sharing Toned down Draft-2.] --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
*::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} I'm fine with you adding the annotation. I'll do a sketch for you. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 18:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
*:::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} I've emailed you a sketch. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 11:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
*:::::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] Thank, but there are things I don't understand.
*:::::*To my understanding e.g. North Downs must be an area (each of them), starting and ending somewhere and then with the width of the Chalk formation?
*:::::*If this is so and you want the different areas to be shown (visually marked) I need to know which area each down covers?
*:::::*Or do you just want the names according to your sketch? For someone without knowledge of this it will be hard to understand which area is covered if the names just is put there?
*::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 14:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
*:::::: {{ping|Goran tek-en}} In many cases, there is no exact or official definition of boundaries. It would be a mistake to try and mark them. We are talking about ranges of hills, not political entities. Many of these regions are designated [[Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty]] which do have defined boundaries for planning regulation purposes, but that would be a different map. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 19:01, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
*:::::::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HvZ-EfxfKg2rXqEVzM0QlgJympteqyh5/view?usp=sharing Draft-3.] --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 20:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
*::::::::@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] I just tried something for North Downs, I can do like that or with other color [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rexc5Eh7z3bzhBp3eYATpceNr6xWsMHO/view?usp=sharing Draft-4-blurred.] --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 11:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
*:::::::::<s>@[[User:Spinningspark|Spinningspark]] I know you are busy with other but I do need your feedback on [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HvZ-EfxfKg2rXqEVzM0QlgJympteqyh5/view?usp=sharing Draft-3] and [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rexc5Eh7z3bzhBp3eYATpceNr6xWsMHO/view?usp=sharing Draft-4-blurred] as above to be able to continue and finish your request, thanks. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 15:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)</s>
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Uploaded [[:Commons:file:Downland in southern England.svg|Downland in southern England]]<br>
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== Request ==
<gallery>
Sub-Saharan Africa.svg|Sub-Saharan Africa without the Sahel region
Sahel.svg|The Sahel region
</gallery>
;Article(s):
: [[Sub-Saharan Africa]]
;Request:
: Add the Sahel region to sub-Saharan Africa in the map of sub-Saharan Africa because the Sahel region is a part of sub-Saharan Africa. The definition of sub-Saharan Africa is ''the area and regions of the continent of Africa that lie south of the Sahara'', and the Sahel region is a region of the continent of Africa that lies south of the Sahara. -- [[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 01:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
;Discussion:
{{re|Treetoes023}} No, it's not that simple. 1) There is no clear definition for any of them, let alone "sub-Sahara". 2) The source that use the definition that you mentioned tend to include the Sahel in the Sahara (this is the case for Britannica, the source that you wanted use when you made the first request). 3) If you want to show the countries that are often considered as part of Sub-Saharan Africa, then that's another subject. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 12:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|M.Bitton}} Yes, it's that simple.
:#The Sahel has a clear definition, it is the region directly south of the Sahara that seperates the Sahara from the Sudanian savanna making it by defintion sub-Saharan.
:#Britannica actually does acknowledge that the Sahel is not a part of the Sahara in both the [https://www.britannica.com/place/Sahara-desert-Africa#:~:text=The%20Sahara%20is%20bordered%20in%20the%20west%20by%20the%20Atlantic%20Ocean%2C%20in%20the%20north%20by%20the%20Atlas%20Mountains%20and%20Mediterranean%20Sea%2C%20in%20the%20east%20by%20the%20Red%20Sea%2C%20and%20in%20the%20south%20by%20the%20Sahel%E2%80%94a%20semiarid%20region%20that%20forms%20a%20transitional%20zone%20between%20the%20Sahara%20to%20the%20north%20and%20the%20belt%20of%20humid%20savannas%20to%20the%20south. Sahara's] and [https://www.britannica.com/place/Sahel#:~:text=It%20forms%20a%20transitional%20zone%20between%20the%20arid%20Sahara%20(desert)%20to%20the%20north%20and%20the%20belt%20of%20humid%20savannas%20to%20the%20south. Sahel's] respective articles, along with many other sources such as these [https://lpdaac.usgs.gov/resources/data-action/african-sahel-transition/#:~:text=Africa%E2%80%99s%20Sahel%20region%20just%20south%20the%20Sahara%20Desert 1][https://www.winforafrica.org/about/how-we-work/african-conflict-and-fragile-states/#:~:text=Sub%20Saharan%20Africa%20%E2%80%93%20Sahel%20Region 2][https://www.internal-displacement.org/global-report/grid2020/downloads/2020-IDMC-GRID-sub-saharan-africa.pdf 3 (page 23)] and more that I can provide if you want me to.
:#The source I gave you when I first made my request was a mistake, I pulled the first image of google that clearly showed boundaries of the Sahara without really inspecting it which is entirely my fault. The source I gave you depicts the Sahara-Sahel which is lumps the Sahara and Sahel together due to political similarities and not geography which is what my request aims to depict.
:I'm sorry if my response comes off as rude, it is not my intention but I can see that it definitely sounds like someone who doesn't like you wrote it which is not the case I just don't have the time to change the wording to make it sound less aggressive because I have to study for SATs lol. [[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
::{{re|Treetoes023}} I disagree with your [[WP:OR]] based conclusion. My offer of creating a map that shows the countries that are usually considered by RS as part of Sub-Saharan Africa still stands (shown in the PDF that you cited). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:::{{Reply to|M.Bitton}} I do no think my conclusion is [[WP:OR]]. Some of the sources I provided directly support my claim, for example [https://www.internal-displacement.org/global-report/grid2020/downloads/2020-IDMC-GRID-sub-saharan-africa.pdf "The Sahel region of sub-Saharan Africa..." (page 23)]. That would make it not original research. [[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 03:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
::::{{re|Treetoes023}} the map that you're proposing is pure [[WP:OR]]. The only sources that matter when it comes to creating maps are RS maps and not our interpretation of a text (unless it's unambiguous, such as lists of countries, etc). While the Sahara and the Sahel are physical regions, sub Saharan Africa is a political region that is rarely portrayed as a physical one (it took me ages to find a source for the physical region that you originally requested). In hindsight, and given the intended purpose of the map, that was a bad idea. I have now adjusted the maps so that they comply with RS and the common definitions. Sudan was added in light green (in line with the other map that is on the article). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{Reply to|M.Bitton}} I agree with your decision, I am sorry for my stubbornness. Although, I still think a geographic map of sub-Saharan Africa is not without merit, not as the main picture on the article of course. Could you leave all of the maps as they originally were including that the Sahel was not included in sub-Saharan Africa and make separate maps based on the political definitions and we use the political based maps in the article. I think that the geography maps could be useful in the future even if they aren't useful right now. [[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 20:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Treetoes023}} I don't see the point of letting a confusing map that isn't used hog the common name. If you ever need similar ones, ping me and I'll happily upload them. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::::{{Reply to|M.Bitton}} Will do. [[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 22:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
{{tl|resolved|[[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 22:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)}}
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