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:Given that reasoning, I'm uncomfortable calling all the "otherwise respectable writers" wrong in Wikivoice. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 22:51, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
::Sorry, I haven't been around for a few days. So can I check, {{u|Trovatore}}, do you feel that our original concern (that this term is a mistake) is actually wrong, and the fact that it's been used by so many people means we have to regard it as a valid name for the function, unless we can find a couple of reliable people saying specifically that it's an error? If so, {{u|Michael Hardy}}, do you know of a source that says so? I appreciate this can be very difficult; it's often hard to find a source that says something that most people in a field believe is obvious. [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 06:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
::: I'm not willing to say the term is a mistake or that it's not a mistake. I agree with Michael that it's an unfortunate term. But if I squint I can see a colorable case for it, and I think that anyone claiming ''actively'' that it's an error has the burden of proof. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 06:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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