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: '''Oppose''' The proposed inclusions of "IBM" and "and successors" are wordy and do not follow [[WP:CONCISE]]. The current title is [[WP:PRECISE]] enough to identify its subject. For example, [http://cs.ecs.baylor.edu/~maurer/SieveE/bal.htm] and [https://github.com/mschwartz/assembly-tutorial#introduction] use BAL / Basic Assembly Language as the identifying name, sans IBM. Also note they have capitals for all three letters of BAL, as opposed to Chatul's proposal to drop the capitals for A and L. Regarding "and successors", there are sources such as [http://zseries.marist.edu/enterprisesystemseducation/assemblerlanguageresources/Assembler.V2.alntext%20V2.00.pdf] that state that the successors are also called BAL by some people, so it is superfluous to list a separate phrase for what actually the same thing. Furthermore the listed "OS/360 and successors" and "DOS/360 and successors" are the only use of this scheme in mainstream articles on Wikipedia; the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=20&offset=40&profile=default&search=and+successors&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 other uses] are list articles with titles such as "List of rosters for Radclub–Resch & Frisch–EYBL and its successors". I could not find any sources suggesting that the current (HLASM) assembly language is actually a different language; [https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/hla-and-tf/1.6?topic=information-assembler-language-extensions the IBM docs] simply call it "the assembler language supported by High Level Assembler", while mentioning that it is substantially compatible all the way back to the original IBM 360 BAL. [[User:Mathnerd314159|Mathnerd314159]] ([[User talk:Mathnerd314159|talk]]) 15:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:: The current title is not [[WP:PRECISE]] enough to identify its subject. Most of the article is about assemblers that are not BAL. The page you cited reads {{quote|The instructions, syntax and coding conventions of the assembler language supported by High Level Assembler include functional extensions to those supported by Assembler H Version 2 and DOS/VSE Assembler. This chapter describes the most important of those extensions, and the language differences between High Level Assembler and the earlier assemblers.}}
::It never mentions BAL or any other version of the assembler earlier than XF. -- [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 18:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
== DOS vs OS? ==
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