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:::Yes and the above explanation doesn't change the impression as it simply tells me that you want to create a map that runs on their platform. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 11:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

::::Indeed, the aim is a map that (also) works with that platform, but is that a problem or drawback--[[User:Antemister|Antemister]] ([[User talk:Antemister|talk]]) 13:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

== Port Phillip Bay and Preservation Island ==

I would like a map that provides context for a historical kidnapping from Port Phillip Bay, Victoria, Australia to Preservation Island, Tasmania and the places the parties lived. All the maps seem very cluttered, so I would like them simplified. Basically, something like [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Australia_and_New_Zealand_with_an_inset.svg this] as an example, but only with Australia (no New Zealand) and with the inset bigger than the map of Australia. The inset would show only the Melbourne area to the Furneaux Islands. I know it sounds kind of complicated but basically, I’d like all the clutter removed from [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Admiralty_Chart_No_2759b_Australia_southern_portion%2C_Published_1885.jpg this] and the inset to show the area between the bottom legend's 144° to 150° and the side legend from 38° to 41°. 1) I'd like the Australian states named, with Victoria bolded. 2) I'd like Melbourne, Point Nepean, the bay, Port Phillip, Arthur's Seat, and Western Port shown. The locations of the last 3 are on [https://www.mizanurrmizan.info/history-of-batmans-treaty-of-melbourne-australia/ this]. 3) For the western islands in the Bass Strait, I'd like [https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourtasmania.com.au%2Fnorthwest%2Fimages%2FTasmania-dower-1837-2.jpg&tbnid=HIKGnfaAG1N2zM&vet=12ahUKEwiBs8uH2fqAAxVuKN4AHUv1DxIQMygEegQIARBW..i&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourtasmania.com.au%2Fnorthwest%2Fnw-counties.html&docid=-R_jch9Fvxu7MM&w=2551&h=3288&q=preservation%20Island%2C%20tasmania%2C%201830s&client=firefox-b-d&ved=2ahUKEwiBs8uH2fqAAxVuKN4AHUv1DxIQMygEegQIARBW these] shown with Robbins Island highlighted. 4) For the eastern stretch, I'd like [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Furneaux_Group_Map.svg this] image to show the Furneaux group, with Mount Chappel Island, Little Dog Island, Gun Carriage Island (shown on the map as Vansittart Island), Preservation Island, and Clarke Island highlighted. Is this possible? 17:31, 26 August 2023 (UTC) [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 17:31, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

: Pinging {{u|Goran tek-en}}, who made the original inset map to see if he thinks this is possible. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 13:51, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

:: {{u|SusunW}}, I haven't checked everything in detail here but it all seems possible but I will need you to be available thru the process. {{I take| --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)}}

::: {{u|Goran tek-en}} I am so excited! Thank you so much. I'm good until September 19, when I will be traveling abroad for my mom's birthday. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 17:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

::::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]] I will be away for 9-16 of september and I don't put in extremely many hours at commons right now so we will just take the time we need. When will you be back? --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

::::: {{u|Goran tek-en}} I will be gone from the 19-26 but then back in Mexico (CST). There is no particular hurry, but I think the map it will give excellent context for the very confusing records on [[Louisa Briggs]]. I cannot say how much I appreciate your help. Truly, I am grateful. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 17:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]] I'm just glad if some of my knowledge can do something for you and your excellent work. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::::Thank you so much {{u|Goran tek-en}}. I just don't have the skills for graphics but they are so helpful to give a context for narrative text. It truly takes a village to create articles. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 17:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]]

::::::::*So we have to start with establishing of the area of the inset [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i-ABNvFEiiVjIr1LFyIOYimfIcJghsGQ/view?usp=sharing is this red rectangle correct?]

::::::::*You can have many different types of maps [[:wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions]] so do you want one similar to this one [[:commons:file:Map of Australia and New Zealand with an inset.svg|Map of Australia and New Zealand with an inset]] or something else?

:::::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 18:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: {{u|Goran tek-en}} 1) I like the "unclutteredness" (is that a word?) of the Map of Australia and New Zealand with an inset. 2) As for the inset, can you move the north boundary, just a bit to include Melbourne, but yes, having all the islands on coastal Tasmania is the key bit AND getting rid of all of the numbers, names, topographical markings that make it so cluttered. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 18:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]]

::::::::::Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.<br>

::::::::::Those drafts are shown <u>for proofreading only.</u>

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::::::::::*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h9rUSzBQ1hCKR-F_2mpbFoO-iik0p57E/view?usp=sharing A first draft-1.] This might not be exactly as you imagined it would look like regarding inset and so and I didn't find all the places so you have to tell me where.

::::::::::*To me this is more like a base map on which one would add more information regarding travels or what ever you want. If you want more added I would need to know that.

::::::::::*Remember we can change/edit/remove/add everything we want so check this draft and give me feedback, anything goes.

::::::::::I will go away for a week or so now and then you will to, but we continue when we are back. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 15:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} sorry, we had a huge storm and lost power for 24 hours. Just got it back and saw this. I think it looks great! Mount Chappel Island is missing a label in the Furneaux group on the western side and about 4 islands north of Preservation Island. I think it is exactly what is needed to give perspective to how far the kidnapped women were moved from their home, but also where the various places they lived were. Much like the Caribbean, of which I am far more familiar, the populations were very fluid between islands. In this case, after 1845, they seemed to live on a different island each year. I appreciate your help so much. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 15:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]] Hope you are doing well after the storm, [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GbC0FfZCN5ascsHkXjO-HSemwS0Qg0_f/view?usp=sharing Draft-2.] --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 16:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} I think it is good to go. I genuinely appreciate your skills and help in creating this visual aid for the article. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 17:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::::::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]] Then I will need the following;

::::::::::::::*Name of the file

::::::::::::::*Description (/language)

::::::::::::::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_captions Captions/s] (/language)

::::::::::::::*Category/ies at commons

::::::::::::::*[https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Contents Structured data]/Items portrayed in this file, the Q#, to be able to upload it at commons, thanks.

:::::::::::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 13:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::{{u|Goran tek-en}} For me, those are tough questions, but I'll try. Please feel free to change these any way you think is best.

:::::::::::::::#1 Bass Strait / Port Phillip Bay detail

:::::::::::::::#2 Bass Strait places associated with the residences of the family of Margery Munro?

:::::::::::::::#3 Bass Strait Islands detail

:::::::::::::::#4 Louisa Briggs, Maps of islands of Australia, Islands of Tasmania, Bass Strait, Media supported by WikiProject Women in Red - 2023

:::::::::::::::#5 Not remotely sure I understand this, but possibly Bass Strait (Q171846), and P Islands of Tasmania, but after 1/2 an hour of searching, I have zero clue how to find a number for a property. WP technology is not my strong suit and WP's search functions are horrible.

:::::::::::::::I leave at 4 AM tomorrow and am frantically packing and readying to go. Will try to check back, but it may well be after I return, i.e. on the 27th. [[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 14:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

{{u|SusunW}} Hope you had a good trip.<br>

I made some changes and if the circa year is not correct we will just change it.<br>

Now you can find it here [[:Commons:file:Bass Strait Port Phillip Bay detail ca 1890.svg]].

*Please check all the information, also links for wikipedia, wikidata and structured data.

*If you are happy with this please put the code <code><nowiki>{{re.solved|~~~~}}</nowiki></code> (without the ".") on this request so it can be archived, thanks. {{done}}<br>

If you need any more graphic work with this or anything else just contact me. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 14:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

:{{u|Goran tek-en}} Thank you so much! Literally just got in last night after 19 hours of traveling. I am so excited to see this. The only difference I note is ca. 1890, but I do not know if that is necessarily an issue, because the map wouldn't have changed. They were kidnapped in 1836 and the last mention of Margery that I found is 1863. All the events took place in the 19th century and those are the names we used. I truly, truly appreciate your work to create a visual for people to see the scope of where they were. (I am working on another project and may contact you about it later, but it's a long-term thing. Been writing it for 3 years and am no where near publishing yet.) {{tl|resolved|[[User:SusunW|SusunW]] ([[User talk:SusunW|talk]]) 14:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)}}

::@[[User:SusunW|SusunW]] I was unsure about that year but it was what I found on the big map.

::*So would it be better to replace it with "19th century"? because then I will change!

::To me the thing about what time the map depicts is that the coastline today is different. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 16:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)