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Sorry for reopening this old thread. But I see the shortcut [[WP:PRIMARYNEWS]] being often misunderstood. Many editors seem to interpret it as "News is '''always''' primary" which is definitely not the goal of the paragraph. As [[User:WhatamIdoing]] said "it's complicated" is the best assessment of the topic. Maybe the text could be clarified by starting with a sentence explaining that "it depends" and the shortcut could be changed to clear things up? Maybe something like "WP:NEWSPRIMARY'''?'''" or "WP:NEWSPRIMARYORSECONDARY" (not much of a shortcut :-P) <span style="color:#AAA"><small><nowiki>{{u|</nowiki></small>[[User:Gtoffoletto|<span style="color:darkGreen;font-weight:bold">Gtoffoletto</span>]]<small><nowiki>}}</nowiki></small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Gtoffoletto|'''talk''']]</sup> 16:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Gtoffoletto|Gtoffoletto]], it sounds like you've identified another candidate for the list at [[Wikipedia:UPPERCASE]].
:I don't think that changing the shortcut will solve the problem. This is mostly because we won't "change" it (it's in hundreds of talk pages and edit summaries, so RFD won't want to delete it). Instead, we'd just "add another shortcut", and the familiar old one will continue to be used, and editors will continue to fail to read the page. Because part of the problem is that we teach Wikipedia's ruleset through a [[telephone game]] (because [[Wikipedia:Nobody reads the directions]]), I don't think that changing the content of the section would actually help. They're almost never reading it now, and they will almost never read it after any changes are implemented.
:You could provide these editors with a link directly to [[Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources#Examples of news reports as secondary sources]], which ''might'' broaden their understanding. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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