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== abbr=on violates MOS ==

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Using <code>abbr=on</code> produces output like "1d 2h 3m 5s", which violates [[MOS:UNITS]] (see "expressing time durations"). The correct short format must have no-break spaces between numbers and units, and use "min" for [[minute]]s.

Namely, please add <code>sep = '&amp;nbsp;',</code> and change <code>m = 'm',</code> to <code>m = 'min',</code> to <code>abbr_on</code> [[Module:Age#L-474--L-481|here]]. — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 05:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

:The reason that modules such as this require advanced rights to edit is to reduce the churning that would occur from normal bold editing. The spacing has been the way it is for a very long time and more than a mention of a guideline is needed to effect a change. For example, there would need to be a reasonable attempt to work out where the abbr=on option is used and whether there are reasons for it being the way it is. Also, some wider discussion before a change would be required. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 05:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

:: As the first paragraph of [[MOS:NUM]] says, "The aim is to promote clarity, cohesion, and consistency, and to make the encyclopedia easier and more intuitive to use", so it's not that "more than a mention of a guideline is needed" to ensure conformance, but quite the opposite{{snd}} [[WP:LOCALCONSENSUS|any deviation from the MOS must be justified]]. That particular part of MOS:NUM has existed in its current state since 2016, after [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers/Archive_155#Wrong/contradictory_examples_for_time_durations_in_"Mixed_units"|this discussion]], which you definitely should have seen (based on your participation in other topics on that page at that time) but not objected. Between 2014 and 2016, there was some inconsistency due to an accidental mistake; but as far as I can tell, minutes were always "min", not "m" (see [[MOS:NUM#Specific units]]), and the unspaced format was never considered acceptable. So it seems to me that <code>abbr_on</code> was {{diff||726734776|prev|introduced here}} without enough thought and apparently without discussing its consistency with WP:MOS or any external standard or style guide. The fact that nobody has complained yet [[WP:BEENHERE|doesn't mean]] that it should not be corrected. I personally didn't notice such use of this module in any articles I read or edit until very recently, in [[Special:Permalink/1234163587#List of spacecraft|Boeing Starliner §&nbsp;List of spacecraft]]. — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 20:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)