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:It would have to run through a [[WP:Good article nomination]] and be approved by an uninvolved editor. There is a [[Wikipedia:Very short featured articles|perennial debate]] about short length, so it would really depend on the reason for the length, the page, and the reviewer. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

::Well to get a good idea of the GA process I just went and nominated one for experience. [[User:AlphaBetaGamma|ABG]] <small> ([[User talk:AlphaBetaGamma|Talk/Report any mistakes here]]) </small> 11:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

== Subjects related to countries that no longer exist, but whose successors are devloping ==

Am I right in assuming that these would go under the flag of their successor countries? For example, an article related to historical events/people in [[Rhodesia]] could count as an entry for [[Zimbabwe]], [[South West Africa]] articles for [[Namibia]] (typically), ect?

But also, how do you guys want to deal with articles that may not cleanly be connected to one singular modern day country? For example, {{Interlanguage link|Drinka Pavlovic|lt=Drinka Pavlovic|sr|Дринка Павловић|ru|Павлович, Дринка}} was a Yugoslavian resistance fighter, murdered at the [[Banjica concentration camp]]. She was born and raised in what we would consider Serbia today, but never identified as anything other than Yugoslavian (which itself was, I believe, considered a developing country [https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/531601468174280252/pdf/multi0page.pdf at the time of its dissolution](605)). I'd probably feel comfortable putting Pavlovic's article under the Serbian flag for this contest. [[Wikipedia:BALKANS|Would that be appropriate]]? [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 19:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:yes, i would definitely consider those to be within the competition's purview. regarding people like Pavlovic, i think she could be put under the Serbian flag, <s>but i wouldn't see anything wrong with adding the Yugoslav flag next to it, for example.</s> see below <span style="color:#618A3D">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">sawyer</span>]] * <small>he/they</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">talk</span>]]</span> 19:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

::adding on - i know i chatted with @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] at one point about his Mongol Empire projects, and said that would indeed count for Mongolia (or Afghanistan, etc.) since it is part of the history of currently-existing countries. <span style="color:#618A3D">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">sawyer</span>]] * <small>he/they</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">talk</span>]]</span> 19:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:For purposes of points tracking, please only use current countries' flags. If not it messes up with our ability to apply the points modifiers. — ♠ [[User:Ixtal|Ixtal]] ^{( [[User talk:Ixtal|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Ixtal|C]] )} &#8258; <small> [[WP:2024DCWC|Sign up for the 2024 DCWC!]] — [[Non nobis solum]] </small> ♠ 20:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

::ah good point - forgot about the bot haha <span style="color:#618A3D">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">sawyer</span>]] * <small>he/they</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">talk</span>]]</span> 20:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Sawyer777|Sawyer777]] Thanks for the response and confirmation, and thank you @[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|TechnoSquirrel69]] for clarifying on the main page. (Demonstrable signifigance, that's something I can deal with). I suppose it's for the best that we get all our edge case testing out of the way in the first year (hopefully of many). And silly bots, not being able to recognise countries that don't exist anymore. How dare it follow the instructions exactly as it was given. [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 07:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

::Might be worth putting this somewhere noticeable if we haven't already. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 22:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:I was about to ask this in reference to Korea. While North Korea is considered a least-developed country and South Korea a highly-developed country, there are a lot of articles about pre-division Korea when it was either under the Joseon dynasty or Japanese imperial occupation. How are we to treat these? --[[User:Grnrchst|Grnrchst]] ([[User talk:Grnrchst|talk]]) 10:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

::coords chatted about this and we agreed that pre-1945 Korean history is definitely suitable, as long as there's some kind of demonstrable connection to the North. we want to avoid scope creep, especially since North Korean articles are eligible for the least-developed bonus. without any examples (and i don't know much about Korean history) it's hard to draw a specific line, but if you've got an article in mind post it here. <span style="color:#618A3D">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">sawyer</span>]] * <small>he/they</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">talk</span>]]</span> 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

:::Hypothetically, if I were to do something with [[Mongol invasions of Korea]], it would fall under high-developed (SK), developing (Mongolia), and least developed (NK). Probably best to devise a blanket rule, if you don't want to judge each time this comes up. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

::::speedy replier over here... we'll keep workshopping this. <span style="color:#618A3D">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">sawyer</span>]] * <small>he/they</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#618A3D">talk</span>]]</span> 14:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

::::Thanks, [[User:AirshipJungleman29|Airship]]; the blanket rule for this contest is the point of association and significance mentioned at [[Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring#General rules|the guidelines]], which I've just expanded a little per the questions raised at this discussion. Articles qualifying for submission under multiple countries should be submitted under an applicable "least developed" country, as that would give the submission the 1.5× points multiplier. The coordinators are happy to resolve any remaining questions about potentially ambiguous subjects. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''TechnoSquirrel69'''</span>]]</span> <small>([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''sigh'''</span>]])</small> 15:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

:::::I'm confused about "Articles associated with a "least developed" country will receive a 1.5× points multiplier." Is the multiplier wrong? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

::::::The multiplier is correct. There are also multipliers for broad-topic articles about eligible countries; details are at {{slinkno|Wikipedia:2024_Developing_Countries_WikiContest/Scoring#Bonus_points}}. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''TechnoSquirrel69'''</span>]]</span> <small>([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''sigh'''</span>]])</small> 20:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

:::::::That says that a "least-developed" country article will receive either a x2 or x2.5 multiplier, no? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

::{{outdent|5}} As mentioned in the table, the higher multipliers only apply to "high-level" articles (and don't stack on other multipliers). Most articles associated with "least developed" countries won't fall into these categories and so will receive the usual 1.5×. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''TechnoSquirrel69'''</span>]]</span> <small>([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''sigh'''</span>]])</small> 02:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

== Articles related to developing countries in a broader/general sense, rather than specific developing countries ==

1. Do such articles count, and 2. if so, how would these be treated/listed? E.g. if someone were to improve the [[developing country]] or [[fair trade]] or [[neglected tropical diseases]] or [[decolonization]] articles. All of them are strongly associated with/have a clear significance to developing and/or least developed countries, but it wouldn't make much sense to list any of them under a specific country. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c;">'''''AddWitty'''''</span>]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b;">''NameHere''</span>]] 00:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

:I'd say they should qualify if they're specifically about developing countries. So fair trade and decolonization wouldn't really count under that metric, since those apply to most countries. And maybe they shouldn't be subject to multipliers, because the point of giving bonus points to least developed countries is because those ones need specific attention. On a similar point, I'd say that any topic relating to Africa, Latin America, Eastern Europe, Pacific Islands, or Asia in general should count for non-multiplied points as well. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 00:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks, [[User:AddWittyNameHere|AddWittyNameHere]]! Yes, these articles absolutely do count. For subjects that could be submitted under multiple countries, you can take your pick as to which one — a "least developed" country if applicable, since that would give you the 1.5× points multiplier. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''TechnoSquirrel69'''</span>]]</span> <small>([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69|<span style="color: #0b541f;">'''sigh'''</span>]])</small> 03:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)