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OK, {{u|Primefac}} and {{u|Johnuniq}}, since you haven't made any progress in the past week and apparently wanted some broader discussion, where do you want it to happen: [[WT:MOSDATE]], [[WT:MOS]], [[WP:VPPOL]], or somewhere else? — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 01:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:There should be an attempt to get opinions from editors interested in the articles that would be affected by the proposed change. Given a few days for people to express an opinion, even a tiny amount of support would convince me. We are discussing what is essentially trivia because anyone capable of reading the articles where abbr=on is used would be able to work out what a duration of 2h 34m meant, and writing 2 h 34 min instead would only be done to satisfy those with an itch. I don't care what people want, so long as content builders have a say. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 03:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:: "Would be able to work out" is not a valid argument. For example, everybody can understand "illogical punctuation", but [[MOS:LQ]] requires using the "logical" one for consistency. And let me remind again about [[WP:CONLEVEL]], that few editors of particular articles cannot override the general rules (especially when they've already explicitly agreed to follow WP:MOS); if they want to, the exceptions must be discussed at [[WT:MOS]] (or its relevant subpage). So where exactly do you want to get the opinions? — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 03:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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