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: Hello {{ping|LEBOLTZMANN2}}, I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Both statements agree. If your issue is that the words "isolated system" are not included in the first quote, It's most likely because it is presented as a general statement in the introduction of the book. And if not, here is an other source for the definition that explicitly mention it [https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/mathematics/second-law-of-thermodynamics]. And again, since trying to apply the second law in a non isolated system doesn't make any sense anyway, it's obviously implied even if not mentioned explicitly. --[[User:McSly|McSly]] ([[User talk:McSly|talk]]) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
::To more clearly state the variance of the text book definition with the article, please note the word "any" before system contrasted with the word "only" preceding isolated system. Any system would include isolated, open and closed systems. It is noteworthy that the claim of only isolated systems has no reference whereas the submitted definition is from a physics text book.
::Another question, "Since Earth receives energy from the Sun, it is an open system. The second law of thermodynamics applies only to isolated systems." Would not logic then say since Earth is an open system therefore the second law does not apply to Earth, everything of Earth? [[User:LEBOLTZMANN2|LEBOLTZMANN2]] ([[User talk:LEBOLTZMANN2|talk]]) 19:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:In the ten years since your first attempt at inserting creationist pseudoscience into the article, neither physics nor biology have changed enough to make evolution suddenly contradict the Second Law. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 08:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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