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:::::::Similarly in F1, the driver with the most points ''"will be declared Champion"'', a different way of saying a point 3 title without using 'title'. They will also ''"receive the Championship Cup and a Diploma from the FIA"''. However, no declarations or titles in the Manufacturers Cup: ''"A Cup will be awarded to the manufacturer..."'' Echo that for the ERC for Drivers and the Ladies' Cup within it. The European Trophy for Formula 2 is not surprisingly, a trophy to be won.
:::::::Apologies for the long post, I find this interesting. [[User:Rally Wonk|Rally Wonk]] ([[User talk:Rally Wonk|talk]]) 13:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::World is constantly changing so something that wasn't considered in the past can be now, or the meaning of the words can be slightly different too. But looking at your search for "FA cup title" I don't think it really shows if its a title or not. Sir is a title, but usually you don't use Sir and title in same phrase. That doesn't mean it isn't a title. I could use other (probably better) example. I think we should look: given any club that have won the FA club, will it be listed among the titles they have or not?
::::::::And as for F1 world manufacturers we have this examples about McLaren title [https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/facts-and-stats-mclarens-record-26-year-title-wait-ends-and-leclerc-scores.2eFJvtofZMatNNagF8f2NT 1] and [https://www.planetf1.com/news/abu-dhabi-grand-prix-2024-race-report 2].
::::::::But I agree its interesting discussing this things, especially the past and how the things evolved through history. [[User:Rpo.castro|Rpo.castro]] ([[User talk:Rpo.castro|talk]]) 17:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm not sure I see this precept that Championship wins are titles and Cup wins aren't. For instance, the headline karting competition, the [[FIA Karting World Championship]], is a stand-alone race. [[User:MSport1005|MSport1005]] ([[User talk:MSport1005|talk]]) 19:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:::A championship can be a stand-alone race. The ''winner'' of the race is awarded the ''title'' of ''champion driver'' amongst awards such as prize money and physical trophies. Traditionally, cup winners didn't get a title, but now they can be called champions, title holders and so on, depending who wrote it and where you look.
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