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Following a request from WikiProject Military history, I've added some code to [[Module:WikiProject banner/auxiliary/sandbox]] for a new parameter {{para|ACR_BOILERPLATE}} which will create a new A-class review page with a preload template (in this case [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review/A-Class review preload boilerplate]]) — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Rename ==
Propose renaming [[:Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell without a project-independent quality rating]] to something like [[:Category:WikiProject banners with class parameter that needs moving to banner shell]] to be more consistent with other tracking categories (and more accurate) — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:"project-independent quality rating" -> "class parameter" is an improvement.
:The proposed name implies a value needs to moved. What about pages with no class value to move, and no class value in banner shell, on a page requiring a class value? <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 11:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::What about [[:Category:WikiProject banners without a class parameter]]? <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 11:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::That category is specifically for cases where a class parameter is used by a project banner but there is no class parameter in the banner shell. Usually this means the parameter needs to be moved from the project banner to the banner shell. The current name is quite misleading — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Ah, makes sense then. So pages without a class value will just filter unto various WikiProjects' ''unassessed'' cats? <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 13:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Come to think of it, this is not ideal (deferring to WikiProjects' ''unassessed'' cats). Since not all WikiProjects use {{para|class}} ({{cconly|WikiProject banners without quality assessment}}), there needs to be a central repository for unclassified articles, such as [[:Category:WikiProject banners without a class parameter]]. For example, if an article is tagged with only WikiProjects that don't use {{para|class}}, then there is no way to find it if it is unassessed. Even if a class-using WikiProject is present, we should make it easy for editors wanting to classify articles to find them, as opposed to searching through 1000 projects' ''unassessed'' cats. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 14:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::At the moment {{tl|WPBS}} will use [[:Category:Unassessed articles]] if there are no project banners. But you are right: if there are banners present then it cannot know if they are banners that use assessments or inactive projects (when assessments are deactivated). So there will be some slipping through the net. We could populate something like [[:Category:All unassessed articles]], if that would be useful. What about articles which are assessed but don't contain any projects using assessments? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::{{ec}} - I just noticed {{cat|Unassessed articles}}, but the example is still valid:
::::::Live example:
::::::* [[Talk:Jain Software]] is categorized in {{cat|Unassessed articles}} due to <code><nowiki>{{WikiProject banner shell|class=}}</nowiki></code>.
::::::* [[Talk:Jain Software]] is removed from {{cat|Unassessed articles}} if <code><nowiki>{{WikiProject banner shell|class=|{{WikiProject AI Cleanup}}}}</nowiki></code> (for example) is used.
::::::* The same is true with and without the text "|class=".
::::::So either the logic that populates {{cat|Unassessed articles}} needs to be more robust (resilient against non-class WikiProjects), or a new category created that accomplishes the same thing. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 15:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think it's perfectly fine having assessed pages without a project that uses an assessment scale (after all, I think that is the point of [[WP:PIQA]]). An FA about {{tl|WP Caves}} (no <code>{{{class}}}</code>) is still an FA. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 15:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I like the idea of a non-diffusing cat like {{cat|All unassessed articles}} directly containing all unassessed articles, and each of those articles in their respective WikiProject-diffused cats (if they exist) within. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 15:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{Done}} I renamed the category. The catch-all category for unassessed articles will need to be done at the banner shell template, so will sandbox something over there — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Coded in [[Module:Banner shell/sandbox]]. I assume we no longer need to populate [[:Category:Unassessed articles]] if we are using [[:Category:All unassessed articles]] — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Sounds good. Either cat is fine, as long as they're not both used. Reusing {{cat|Unassessed articles}} would probably be less work, but I'll leave that up to you. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 14:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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