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:I can't think of any others — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
== Full admin protection? ==
{{ping|MSGJ|Gonnym}} IIUC, this module was restricted to admin editing because Gonnym did not adequately test their changes before going live? Admin-level protection has downstream (unintended) consequences. [[Module:WikiProject banner]] depends on [[Module:Portal]], which I have been maintaining for the past 2+ years. But now [[Module:Portal]] must be admin-level protected also, which means I have lost edit rights (because I am only a templateeditor). I know I can still ask admins to check in changes for me, it would still be better (IMO) to be able to edit [[Module:Portal]] directly.
Would it be possible to resolve the issue in a different way than restricting editing of [[Module:WikiProject banner]] only to admins? For example, could Gonnym agree to always test their changes before committing the code to the live Module?
Thoughts? — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 22:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:A few comments.
:* I don't necessarily see any link between the protection of this module and Module:Portal.
:* There is no policy that templates with a certain number of transclusions should be fully protected. I once tried to start [[Wikipedia talk:High-risk templates#Should some templates be fully protected?|a discussion]] on this, but got no response. So currently it is entirely up to admin discretion. I know {{ul|Pppery}} has definite views on this.
:* I have tried to discuss my concerns with Gonnym and their talk page, but have not made much progress. Your suggestions sounds sensible to me.
:— Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:: My belief has long been that the highest-risk templates on the project with millions to tens of millions of transclusions should be fully-protected (and also listed on [[WP:CASC]]). This view is only weakly held. The much-more-strongly-held position is the a template's dependencies must be protected at least as well as the base template, and [[Template:Portal]] (and hence [[Module:Portal]]) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3Aportal&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns1=1 has 6mil of its 10mil transclusions on the talk namespace] (and hence presumably via [[Module:WikiProject banner]]), which establishes a dependency chain sufficient to bind the protection to the full protection here. {{pb}} For me, the reason for that position is about trust - the level of trust required to edit the highest-risk templates on the project is much greater than the level required to edit templates with a mere 5,000 transclusions. And while you of course could have pblocked Gonnym instead of full protection I think the recent incident proves my trust claim right by saying that Gonnym does not have that trust. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 21:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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