Module talk:WikiProject banner/Archive 15: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 18:02, 5 February 2025

Revision as of 17:47, 6 February 2025

Line 732:

:&mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:: My belief has long been that the highest-risk templates on the project with millions to tens of millions of transclusions should be fully-protected (and also listed on [[WP:CASC]]). This view is only weakly held. The much-more-strongly-held position is the a template's dependencies must be protected at least as well as the base template, and [[Template:Portal]] (and hence [[Module:Portal]]) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3Aportal&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns1=1 has 6mil of its 10mil transclusions on the talk namespace] (and hence presumably via [[Module:WikiProject banner]]), which establishes a dependency chain sufficient to bind the protection to the full protection here. {{pb}} For me, the reason for that position is about trust - the level of trust required to edit the highest-risk templates on the project is much greater than the level required to edit templates with a mere 5,000 transclusions. And while you of course could have pblocked Gonnym instead of full protection I think the recent incident proves my trust claim right by saying that Gonnym does not have that trust. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 21:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

== Why do WikiProject banners link to portals anyway? ==

I cannot figure out why having WikiProject banners link to corresponding portals is helpful. When an editor is on a talk page, I can see them wanting information about how to edit articles that belong to a WikiProject, or asking questions at the corresponding WikiProject Talk page. I don't see why they would want to go to a Portal to get overview information on the topic. We generally want editors to bring off-wiki information into WP, rather than recycling information between pages.

I propose removing Portal links from WikiProject banners. What do other editors think? — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 06:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:The first Portals were created in February 2005 and were originally set up as subpages of {{-r|Wikipedia:Wikiportal}}, such as [[Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Biology]], which I think was the first one. The Portal: namespace was created in August 2005, and existing Wikipedia:Wikiportal/... pages were moved there on 27 August, together with some templates that were only used for building Portal: pages.

:Some WikiProject banners have had portal boxes since 2006, e.g. {{tlx|WikiProject Trains}}, it's possible that some were given portal boxes in 2005. Some portals predate the corresponding WikiProjects, and I think that they served as a central discussion point until WikiProjects became more established. If a topic had both a Portal and a WikiProject, it was natural to provide a link between them. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 09:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

::In the early days of Wikipedia, it probably made sense to link to portals from this box. But now, both WikiProjects and Portals are well-established with very different aims. The link from article talk to corresponding Portal seems superfluous. — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)