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:{{done}}. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 18:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

== Property mapping and ignoring unrecognized parameters ==

I was brought here by the following citation errors which had ''too much information'':

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# [[d:Q625794#P569]] {{demo inline|<nowiki>{{wikidata|references|Q625794|P569}}</nowiki>}}

# [[d:Q625794#P570]] {{demo inline|<nowiki>{{wikidata|references|Q625794|P570}}</nowiki>}}

# [[d:Q625794#P20]] {{demo inline|<nowiki>{{wikidata|references|Q625794|P20}}</nowiki>}}

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This is partially just an edit request to add some properties to the property mapping. {{Wikidata property link|P50}} and {{Wikidata property link|P291}} are common citation parameters that need to be added to the property mappings documented at {{slink|Template:Cite Q#Bibliographic parameters}} and {{slink|Template:Wikidata#References}}. I would further map {{Wikidata property link|P136}} to {{para|[[Help:Citation Style 1#Type|type]]}} and {{Wikidata property link|P1433}} to {{para|[[Help:Citation Style 1#Work and publisher|work]]}}.

However, I also think that this template/module refusing to produce any citation when there are unrecognized parameters is not ideal. I suggest that it should ignore unrecognized parameters without error messages in published articles, and only show a green warning message on previews.

{{small|Pinging {{u|Sdkb}} from their prior interest at {{slink|Module talk:Wd/Archive 1#References mapping}}.}}

[[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 08:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:As for the errors containing {{tq|too much information}}, there were repeated complaints that the previous error message, which only indicated that an error had occured and linked to the documentation, was unclear. And I think too little information is a lesser problem than too much information, especially when there is no middle ground.

:As for the requested mappings, the usage of the mentioned properties in WD refs is not standard per [[wikidata:Help:Sources]].

:Ignoring unknown properties is problematic, because some properties may be deliberately left from the Cite web mapping to force the module to use Cite Q. This will be very important if new output templates are added, which is something I want to do eventually. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 15:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

::{{re|Janhrach}} I apologize for my unclear comment. My concern was not that the error message was verbose, but rather that the error was caused by Wikidata having too much information about the citation. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

:::I have made some edits to the refs on Wikidata, and I will also modify the module later. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 18:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

::::I have added support for {{prop|P291}} into the Cite web mapping. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 13:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::Why? When citing a web source, that source exists somewhere (or multiple somewheres) on the intarwebs but is not tied to a physical ___location. Just because a box can be filled, it does not mean that it should be filled.

:::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::I added the property because the reference number two above displayed an error, as it contained the P291, which was not in the mapping. Is the usage of "Bloomington" in <code>publication-place</code> in the above reference incorrect? Should all instances of usage like this be removed from Wikidata? [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 13:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, incorrect. And because you are citing a website, the proper parameter is {{para|website}} not {{para|publisher}}. Wikidata should contain correct data. The problem there is that there are few if any standards so editors will fill-in the boxes because 'omg!-there-is-an-empty-box!-I-must-fill-it!' All that you can do is recognize that and choose {{tlx|cite web}} parameters appropriately.

:::::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 14:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::::OK, I fixed the incorrect publication-place properties on WD and reverted my edits to this module. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 14:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::::May I ask why you think ''Kinsley Institute'' should be in <code>website</code>, not in <code>publisher</code>? [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::Because we cite the {{em|work}} ({{para|website|Kinsey Institute}} in this case – note spelling) not the publisher (Indiana University).

:::::::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::::::Is the Kinsey Institute a work? It quite seems to match the definition of "publisher" from the Cite web documentation ({{tq|The [[publisher]] is the ''company'', ''organization'' or other legal entity that publishes the work being cited.}}).

::::::::::We could say that we cite the institute's website, which has the same name as the institute. Is this what you mean?

::::::::::(Thanks for the spelling correction; I sometimes misread words and misspell them afterwards.)

::::::::::– [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 12:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)