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== Main page ==

I know this is minor, but I think the main page tab should say "main page" and not "article", I've changed my JS so it says that, but want to ask around first before fooling with this one. I just don't think that the main page is really an "article". It links to many articles, and previews a few, but "main page" is not an article in itself.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 03:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

:It is in the article namespace.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 17:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, it is in "article" namespace, since there is no "main page" namespace. Still, the URL just sais Wiki/ so nothing seems contradictory there. Also articles are named based on their title, there is no article called "main page"...it does not explain "main pages"...it ''is'' one, so it should be considered "Main Page" and not "article" I suppose.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 23:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

:I'm fine either way. I don't mind the way it is now, but I would also be fine with changing it.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 17:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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I think the name "move", while technically correct, is not the exact right choice to use. From what I get, the page history is moved to the other page, but it is basically renaming&mdash;and would be a simpler concept for new users to grasp, no? Would people be opposed to calling it "'''rename'''", or something along those lines? -[[User:My/sig|<font color="black">Mysekurity</font>]]^{[[m:Wikimania 2006|<font style="background:black" color="white"> ['''m!''']</font>]]} 02:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:Renaming is "moving" pretty much. However moving is slighty more general. Moving from place to place in one namespace is like renaming. "Userfying" or any other namespace to namespace change is more like a "move". Still, I don't care much either way.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 07:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

::I made a simple script that renames it to "rename" for all article namespace pages. I would support that.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 22:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Thanks for responding. Maybe take this to the Village Pump (things usually get lost there unless you have concrete ideas). -[[User:My/sig|<font color="black">Mysekurity</font>]]^{[[m:Wikimania 2006|<font style="background:black" color="white"> ['''m!''']</font>]]} 00:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I think this can also be changed by editing the text at [[MediaWiki:Move]]. That's probably a cleaner solution than a script, but it does change it for everybody. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 01:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::I guess I just like tradition, but I prefer "move" better, and I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's the tone, or the monosyllabic appeal, but I like "move" better than "rename", though I don't mind either way. Thanks! [[User:Flcelloguy|Flcelloguy]] <small>([[User talk:Flcelloguy|A <font color="brown">note?</font>]])</small> 01:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::The purpose of a script would be that non-article space pages would have different text for those accustomed to it (like how article space pages say Article, the Main Page says Main Page, MW pages say Message, and WP namespace pages say Project on their tabs). I know you guys are all apathetic, and I care only slightly, but I think it'd be a good step towards more usability. When one right-clicks (or alt-clicks for our Mac bretheren) on an icon within their operating system, it says "rename". It would only be right to have this apply to WP as well. -[[User:My/sig|<font color="black">Mysekurity</font>]]^{[[m:Wikimania 2006|<font style="background:black" color="white"> ['''m!''']</font>]]} 01:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::Certainly, IMO, rename seems more clear to newbies. I already use the script myself just to see what it is like.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 02:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::I agree that "rename" is clearer. Mysekurity, do I understand you correctly that you want different texts depending on the namespace? If so, could you please explain? It seems rather confusing to me to use different descriptions for the same function. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 02:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::The script I made would make articles have a "rename" tab, where as project, help and portal pages (where moves are more serious (like AfD) and likely to result in double redirects and confusion and should not likely be moved by newbies anyway). Renaming articles is more likely a spelling/formality thing that for things like MediaWiki (where moving is really like file moving) and Images (when moving is supported).'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 02:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::You seem to have forgotten the end of the first sentence, but I assume that your script does not change the name of the tab for project, help and portal pages. That would be confusing, in my opinion. You make a good point for MediaWiki name space, but that's a very special case: how often are those pages moved? -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 06:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Rename is more clear and suggest that is is somewhat more minor that move. Project/portal pages are the true ___location of their topic, so renaming them is like moving them, and it creates a ton of double redirects, guarenteed. Articles are about a topic, but they are not the topic, there are usually 1 or a few correct possible titles. Articles are just articles, were as other namespaces either have serious technical effects to moving (MediaWiki, user JS, Images when they support it) or have a sense of ___location. WP:PP ''is'' at WP:PP, George Bush is not ''at'' Wikipedia's George Bush page. At any rate, new users shouldn't be moving projects anyway.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 06:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::I personally disagree. To me, "move" is more clear, as that's how I visualise it: the article being sort of pushed to a new ___location, leaving a redirect trail. IMHO, "rename" sounds like the article sort of stays in the same place, which it doesn't. Also, I guess I like "move" for historical reasons. I'm not diehard opposed to the change, but I certainly prefer "move" for my own preferences as well as being clearer.

:::::::: As a further note, I don't really understand the logic of not having the tab be the same for all pages. Isn't that even less newbie friendly than it is now? "Why do I have these two different tabs for different pages? They seem to do the same thing, but they must be different because the label is different, etc..." In addition, you'd have to have another MediaWiki page, one that said "rename page" for the articlespace, one that said "move page" for everything else. I don't really get why we'd want that. [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 07:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::: Oh, another note: If this goes through, don't forget to change the other skins to the new version as well. [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 07:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

:::My small script also changes "history" to "revisions" for articles, since that makes it more clear.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 19:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

*Move sounds more approriate to me. I'd support implmentation of a Rename function, but would want to limit it's use to admins as the potential for vandalism would be high with it. Page moving may not be the most newbie friendly function, but it is also a function that can cause signifigant problems when done incorrectly, maybe it shouldn't be as friendly as the ''edit'' button. — [[User:Xaosflux|<b><font color="#FF9933" face="monotype"><big>xaosflux</big></font></b>]] ^{[[User_talk:Xaosflux|<font color="#00FF00">Talk</font>]]} 11:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

**Page moves really should be like 95% semi rather than 99% of users, that would avoid much page moving nonsense. If anything is to be less freindly, it would be page moves for project pages/portals/help ect...that would cause even more trouble than the usual article move.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WPWikipedia:EAEsperanza|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 19:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

*The rename is fine by me. [[User:BrokenSegue|''B''roken]][[User talk:BrokenSegue|''S''egue]] 18:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

::I prefer "move", perhaps because I am used to it, but... [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]} 21:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)