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:::::Sorry misconstrued the issue. -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°''</small> 15:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::I think the pre-module version of the harv/sfn templates always treated the final parameter as the year, [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 20:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] & [[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]:
::::::[https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2011/10/reference-twins.html APA uses n.d.-x]. It seems like [https://files.taylorandfrancis.com/tf_chicagoad.pdf Chicago] and [https://libguides.jcu.edu.au/HarvardAGSM/dates Harvard] referencing do as well. I've added the pattern for that to the sandbox module:
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::::::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d.-a}}
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::::::{{Harvard citation no brackets/sandbox|Capri Sun Group|n.d.-a}}
::::::But you'd also need to add support in [[Module:Citation/CS1]]. Right now it gives an error if you suffix anything to n.d. separated by a hyphen or space (only {{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d.a}} works):
::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d. |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1}}
::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d.a |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1}}
::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d. a |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1}}
::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d.-a |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1 |ref={{sfnref|Capri Sun Group|n.d.-a}}}}
::::::Also some stats while thinking about changes:
::::::* 5,041,630 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web]
::::::* 15,112 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web+insource%3A%22date%3Dn.d.%22&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web using n.d.]
::::::* 45 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web+insource%3A%22date%3Dn.d.a%22&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web and n.d.a] (without spaces)
::::::* 55% of cite web invocations [https://bambots.brucemyers.com/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Cite+web have no date parameter] (not an issue without author-date short citations)
::::::I'd support adding support to both modules for "n.d.-" if that's the norm in published citation styles. [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 11:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
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