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:In the particular case of [[Jing (philosophy)]], highlighting the distinction is unnecessary. In the talk page archive that you mentioned (where the conclusion was not to include a no-merge option), I fully agree with the comment by {{ping|Kanguole}} "What is the purpose of this template? I think it is to convey the Chinese name of the person, book, etc that is the subject of article, for readers who understand characters. It's not to give lessons in typography to people who don't understand hanzi – we have specialist articles for that."

:On [[Wade–Giles#Tones]] where you have also added a non-breaking space, the same effect can be more transparently achieved by using the template twice. In that case, the difference is again unimportant, but I support displaying both variants because it aligns the characters with the other rows in the table. [[User:Freelance Intellectual|Freelance Intellectual]] ([[User talk:Freelance Intellectual|talk]]) 09:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

::I see what you mean. I have no strong opinions about it, really. Whether "for readers who understand characters" this distinction is important is beyond me. Another editor had apparently tried to achieve this, creating an odd result, but maybe they were mistaken to want to.

::Good call on the Wade-Giles tone table.

::Anyway, for those rare cases when the distinction might be required and the template is invoked only once:

::I thought allowing breaking was the right behavior, out of ignorance, but reviewing [https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-51.html the Unicode recommendation on the matter] makes me think I was wrong, and in fact line breaks shouldn't be allowed before semicolons or close-parentheses. A [[word joiner]] ⁠ could be used instead to get the correct behavior.

::There also is some intended way to do this in Unicode itself with variation selectors. I'm pretty sure this is the way, but not sure enough that I would want to put in on a page: {{zh|s=敬︀|t=敬|labels=no}} (text: 敬︀, 敬) {{zh|s=麻|t=麻︀|labels=no}} (text: 麻, 麻︀). The details of which variation selector to use for what is different for every character. It's a simple enough system, and the ideal solution if you're confident, but I'm not confident. The "text" renditions above should also display as the appropriate trad and simp variants — they don't on my system; the template displays them distinctly simply because they are distinct Unicode sequences (post-normalization). [[User:Dingolover6969|Dingolover6969]] ([[User talk:Dingolover6969|talk]]) 15:27, 28 April 2025 (UTC)