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::::::If only we, the writers, expressed citations in a way that permitted them, the readers, to elect how THEY want to SEE the blimmin' citations and then let Wikipedia render the citations into whatever format a particular reader has chosen to see them (i.e., long, short, mixed, whatever), there wouldn't ''be'' a need for all this [[WP:CITEVAR|consensus]] BS, where a small set of writers (usually the most recent and most aggressive mob) decides for EVERYONE how they should "eat their meal". Its ridiculous, uncivil, and technologically quite unnecessary. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 07:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::OK, so do we settle on standard {{t|cite}} references for all, (i.e. change them into the same format as the other 60-odd) or do we want to have these 5 (or is it 2) references in the ''Sources'' section using different mechanisms, with limited hover-over info, and an additional click required to get to the source? [[User:Chumpih|<span style="text-shadow: 2px 2.5px 3px #448811bb">Chumpih</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chumpih|t]]</sup> 19:30, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::{{reply to |Chumpih }} What do you mean by "standard {{cite}}"? If you mean replacing the short citations using {{t|sfnp}} with long citations using <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> while retaining the {{t|cite Q}}s, you have my OK but also need a clear OK from {{u |Remsense}} for there to be the required consensus. I see no reason to revert from {{t|cite Q}}s to {{t|cite book}}s etc.
:::::::: [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 19:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::{{reply to |Chumpih}} However, if there does end up being consensus for regressing the normalizing {{t|cite Q}}s to de-normalized {{t|cite book}}s etc., that could easily be done by adding <code>|expand=yes</code> to the {{t|cite Q}}s and taking it from there. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 06:43, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:But what are "standard Cites"? 😀 There is no such thing in Wikipedia and everyone does what they want anyway. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 02:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
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