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*{{!xt|{{nobr|from 1881{{ndash}}1886}}}}) and {{!xt|{{nobr|between June{{nbsp}}1{{snd}}July{{nbsp}}3}}}} are not coherent uses within running prose, and I really don't to see any instance where use of them should ever be tolerated. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">[[User:Ohconfucius|'''<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#EEE8AA"> Ohc </span>''']]</span></small>[[User talk:Ohconfucius|<sup>''revolution of our times''</sup>]] 12:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
*:Your point being what? The guideline already forbids such constructions. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:34, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
== Concern over adjacent numbers of different values in motor racing article titles ==
There are many titles of annual racing articles with a year number next to an event name number, thus contrary to various points at [[MOS:NUMNOTES]], which makes sense since they are excessively awkward and difficult to read. Articles include those at [[:Category:24 Hours of Le Mans races]], [[:Category:24 Hours of Daytona]], [[24H Series#Official FIA seasons]], [[:Category:Nürburgring 24 Hours]], [[:Category:Spa 24 Hours]] and many others, including some that are 4 or 12 hours. Should these be moved so the year is in parentheses at the end? That seems like the simplest remedy. An example would be moving [[2024 24 Hours of Daytona]] to [[24 Hours of Daytona (2024)]]. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 23:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Judging by what I see at [[WP:YEARS]], there are a lot of articles in WP with years at the start of the title. I don't see a big problem with this. A reader looking for a particular year but not knowing the title system would probably look at [[24 Hours of Le Mans]], search for the year within that and then follow the link. Or go to the bottom, click on the cat and then click on the appropriate year. Not a problem.
:If you want to see it in the search box, then we can add redirects like [[24 Hours of Daytona (2024)]] that points to [[2024 24 Hours of Daytona]]. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">[[User:Stepho-wrs|''' Stepho ''']] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">[[User Talk:Stepho-wrs|talk]] </span></span> 00:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Starting an article title with a year is totally common, fine, and normal when there are no other numbers involved, for example [[2025 NBA Finals]]. This inquiry is about the specific circumstance of a year number and event name number being adjacent to one another. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 00:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::It's also common, fine, and normal even when there are numbers involved. I '''oppose''' any changes to article titles. [[User:Stepho-wrs|Stepho-wrs]] suggested a good solution. [[User:RegalZ8790|RegalZ8790]] ([[User talk:RegalZ8790|talk]]) 00:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:From [[WP:MOTORSPORT]]. Don't see an issue here. Would also go against [[WP:CONSISTENT]]. '''[[User:Mb2437|<span style="background:#19543E; border:2px solid #19543E; color:white; padding:2px;">MB</span>]][[User talk:Mb2437|<span style="background:white; border:2px solid #19543E; color:#19543E; padding:2px;">2437</span>]]''' 00:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:As a motorsport editor (not a grammar geek by any means) I don't think that it would be worth moving them. Although I do see the concern, and it does sound a little awkward with the double number, I personally don't feel that it is severe enough to warrant moving hundreds of pages. As per Mb, it would kind of ruin the consistency between motorsport race articles ([year] [race name]), and could even cause confusion for readers. Not worth the change in my opinion, even if it does sound a little weird. [[User:GalacticVelocity08|<span style="color:green;">'''Galactic'''</span><span style="color:orange;">'''Velocity'''</span><span style="color:blue;">'''08'''</span>]] ([[User talk:GalacticVelocity08|''talk'']]) 00:20, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:Spelling 24 is not an option, as it's part of a proper name ([[MOS:NUMNOTES]]). Perhaps this is just [[WP:COMMONNAME]] / [[WP:IAR]] e.g. "When and Where to Watch the 2025 24 Hours of Le Mans" ([https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65045976/2025-24-hours-of-le-mans-where-to-watch/ ''Car and Driver'']), "Here’s the entry list for the 2025 24 Hours of Le Mans" ([https://sports.yahoo.com/article/24-hours-of-le-mans-2025-how-to-watch-start-time-tv-channel-and-more-210826554.html Yahoo]).—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:I would say that our current practice is a little jarring, but not {{tq |"excessively awkward and difficult to read"}}. If we were composing literature here, I'd suggest a change for aesthetic purposes, but we are an encyclopedia, not art. It would require many changes to move dates to the end in parentheses and I don't think it would be either worth the effort or a significant improvement. [[User:SchreiberBike|SchreiberBike ]]|[[User talk:SchreiberBike#top| ⌨ ]] 13:44, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
== Year adjacent to numerical value ==
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