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== Chemical structures ==

''for images, please see the [[Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve/Chemical structures|sub-page]]''

'''Article(s):''' Various

'''Request:''' Don't hate me. Above are many simple chemical structures that would be nice to have as an SVG. They are from [[:Category:Images which should be in SVG format]]. There are more in that category and [[:Category:Chemical structures]]. This is a start as there are many more where this came from and when these are done, I'll try to make another list.↔[[User:Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:11px; font-weight:bold; font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">NMajdan</font>]]&bull;[[User talk:Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:9px; font-family:verdana, sans-serif; color:#000000;">talk</font>]]&bull;[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:8px; font-family:verdana, sans-serif; color:#000000;">EditorReview</font>]] 22:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion:''' I'll start on some of these, but its a big job, so fell free to pitch in if you have the time. Maybe we should move these to a separate page, so it doesn't clog up the request page? -[[User:YK Times|YK Times]] 03:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

::Feel free to move them to a subpage; I'll feel less guilt about adding more. I've tried doing these myself as they are simple enough and I thought they'd be a good training tool. But I tried using Inkscape and got a weird result. I tried the first one above and it looked fine in Inkscape but when I upload it it looks like [http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3468/snag08bz0.png]. If you have any suggestions, please leave them on my talk page.↔[[User:Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:11px; font-weight:bold; font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">NMajdan</font>]]&bull;[[User talk:Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:9px; font-family:verdana, sans-serif; color:#000000;">talk</font>]]&bull;[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:8px; font-family:verdana, sans-serif; color:#000000;">EditorReview</font>]] 13:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Okay, I moved them to a [[Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve/Chemical structures|subpage]], so that it clears up this request page a bit, and so that it doesn't take so long to load. -[[User:YK Times|YK Times]] 17:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

:: It seems as though we should create some sort of library of shapes so that we can keep these consistent. [[User:ChaosNil|ChaosNil]] 05:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

::: I suppose there are lots of svg's under [[commons:Category:Chemical compounds]] that you could start from. But it's probably easier to use a program that generates these. Eg. [http://bkchem.zirael.org/screenshots_en.html BKChem] is a free one that exports svg. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 14:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

::: I notice that there are [[SMILES]] data (giving the structure of the molecule) in virtually every article. It should be possible to write a program to automatically extract the SMILES string and output an SVG... Does anyone know what WP policy is on bot-type programs that access pages but do not do any actual editing? It would probably be easier just to generate the SVGs locally and upload manually, I hope (and assuming it goes fairly slowly...). I'll start working on something of that sort, probably with MolConverter ([http://chem.sis.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/applet/doc/user/molconvert.html]) to do the actual conversions. [[User:Time3000|Time3000]] 16:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Not sure about policy, but a good analogy to look at is your browser: it accesses pages but does not do any actual editing. I imagine any tool would be fine, so long as the output has an acceptable format and license, without annoying stuff like "This page exported by an academic version of XXX", etc. &mdash;[[User:DavidHOzAu|davidh]].[[User talk:DavidHOzAu|oz]].[[Special:Contributions/User:DavidHOzAu|au]] 04:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

:It might be best to coordinate with the editors at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry]] (particularly [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing workgroup]]), [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology]]. There have been past discussions about .png vs .svg images for chemical structures, including discussions about which software produces the best results. I would recommend against any automated structure drawing based on SMILES data for anything but the most simple chemical compounds because there are many different ways to represent a single compound, with the best being a chemist's subjective preference. Also, there are literally thousands of chemical images in .png format, so it might be best to start with images on the most popular articles, rather than just the ones tagged for conversion to .svg so far.--[[User:Edgar181|Ed]] ([[User talk:Edgar181|Edgar181]]) 21:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::That sounds like a plan. Since there is a category for these structures, would anybody be opposed if I removed them all from the Move to Commons category and Convert to SVG category? They alone are creating a substantial backlog in both cats and removing all of them would help tremendously. I know that as these are converted to SVG they will be moved to the Commons so both issues will be resolved.↔[[User:Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:11px; font-weight:bold; font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">NMajdan</font>]]&bull;[[User talk:Nmajdan|<font style="font-size:9px; font-family:verdana, sans-serif; color:#000000;">talk</font>]] 21:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)