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:::::Thanks for correcting my numbers :). I think, ESA has the money to contribute in developing Kliper, but I doubt they really want to. Also if Kliper should be launched from Kourou, the Onega booster likely must be developed, as an Ariane 5 launch could be to oversized and to expensive. By the way, I even read somewhere, ESA's budget should grow up to 5 billion euros in 2006, but I don't know if it's correct. Do you know something about it? Now to Russia: there is now enough money in Russia, but they will not spend it for space exploration. The Russian Space Agency's budget grows very slowly, so if they will get funding for Kliper development (we should know it in July I think), it will certainly be not sufficient. This is the reason why they want to cooperate with other countries on that project.--[[User:Bricktop|Bricktop]] 01:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::Didn't hear about this rise to 5 billion in budget - would be amazing, but I doubt it. With regard to Kliper and uncertainty of Europe's contribution (once again - this is more a political question, not so much an ESA management decision), I don't think that the article as it stands now suggest too much certainty about the whole matter. However, as for my part I personally believe that there will be a joined project (how much Europe will spend - we'll know in December). Last point: Russia - there is still the possibility of a policial propaganda move by Putin, in fact the Russian media liked the story of a "Russian Space Shuttle" - so at least if Europe approves funding, I doubt that Russia will back out. P.S.: Wir können auch auf deutsch kommunizieren... [[User:Themanwithoutapast|Themanwithoutapast]] 01:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::You're right, the whole Kliper cooperation is more a political thing. But there are also many unresolved technical and organizational problems with Kliper (spaceship itself, launcher and so on), so I yet remain sceptical it will fly in the next 10 years or even ever. But the chances that I'm wrong are now getting better ;-). P.S. deutsch ist natürlich einfacher für mich, damit schreibe ich mindestens 5 mal schneller :-), aber hier sollten wir englisch nutzen, damit die anderen User mitlesen können ;-). --[[User:Bricktop|Bricktop]] 01:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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