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==American Civil War maps FH11&PDF?SVG==

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:I object to that tag: This isn't an easy request with this many images. The method has been worked out and these are slowly being converted over, but the request has not completely ceased being worked on. Maybe the current worker could post instructions for other people with FH11 so they can do some images too? [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 18:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

*[[:Image:ACW Belmont2Shiloh.png]]

*[[:Image:ACW Chattanooga2Carolinas.png]]

*[[:Image:ACW Corinth2Perryville.png]]

*[[:Image:ACW VB2Chickamauga.png]]

*[[:Image:ACW Western Overview.png]]

*[[:Image:Antietam0600.png]]

*[[:Image:Antietam0730.png]]

*[[:Image:Antietam0900.png]]

*[[:Image:Antietam1000.png]]

*[[:Image:Antietam Overview.png]]

*[[:Image:Appomattox Campaign.png]]

:*[[:Image:Appomattox Campaign.svg]]

*[[:Image:BethesdaChurch-OldChurch.png]]

*[[:Image:Carolinas Campaign.png]]

*[[:Image:Cedar Creek Battle.png]]

*[[:Image:Chancellorsville May1 2.png]]

*[[:Image:Chancellorsville May3.png]]

*[[:Image:Chancellorsville May4.png]]

*[[:Image:Chattanooga Battle.png]]

*[[:Image:ColdHarbor-June1.png]]

*[[:Image:ColdHarbor-June3.png]]

*[[:Image:Corinth Oct3-4.png]]

*[[:Image:First Bull Run Campaign.png]]

:*[[:Image:First Bull Run Campaign.svg]]

*[[:Image:First Bull Run July18.png]]

:*[[:Image:First Bull Run July18.svg]]

*[[:Image:First Bull Run July21am.png]]

:*[[:Image:First Bull Run July21am.svg?]]

*[[:Image:First Bull Run July21 2pm.png]]

:*[[:Image:First Bull Run July21 2pm.svg?]]

*[[:Image:First Bull Run July21 4pm.png]]

:*[[:Image:First Bull Run July21 4pm.svg?]]

*[[:Image:Fort Donelson Feb14.png]]

*[[:Image:Fort Donelson Feb15am.png]]

*[[:Image:Fort Donelson Feb15pm.png]]

*[[:Image:Fort Henry Campaign.png]]

*[[:Image:Fort Henry to Fort Donelson.png]]

*[[:Image:Fredericksburg-HookerAssault.png]]

*[[:Image:Fredericksburg-Overview.png]]

*[[:Image:Fredericksburg-SumnerAssault.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Battle Map Day1.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Battle Map Day2.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Battle Map Day3.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Campaign.png]]

:*[[:Image:Gettysburg Campaign.svg]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Campaign Retreat.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Cemetery Hill.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 0700.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 1000.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 1045.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 1100.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 1230.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 1400.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day1 1600.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Cemetery Ridge.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Culp's Hill Defenses.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Culp's Hill Evening.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Hood.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Peach Orchard.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Plan.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Wheatfield1.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day2 Wheatfield2.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Day3 Culp's Hill Morning.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg East Cavalry Field1.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg East Cavalry Field2.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg East Cavalry Field3.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg Map.png]]

*[[:Image:Gettysburg South Cavalry Field.png]]

*[[:Image:Harpers Ferry.png]]

*[[:Image:Iuka.png]]

*[[:Image:Iuka-Corinth Campaign1.png]]

*[[:Image:Iuka-Corinth Campaign2.png]]

*[[:Image:Jackson Valley Campaign Part1.png]]

*[[:Image:Jackson Valley Campaign Part2.png]]

*[[:Image:Little Round Top1.png]]

*[[:Image:Little Round Top2.png]]

*[[:Image:Longstreets Knoxville Campaign.png]]

*[[:Image:Maryland Campaign.png]]

*[[:Image:Northern Virginia Campaign Aug7-28.png]]

*[[:Image:Overland-Richmond.png]]

*[[:Image:PeninsulaCampaign.png]]

*[[:Image:Perryville 1400.png]]

*[[:Image:Perryville 1500.png]]

*[[:Image:Perryville 1545.png]]

*[[:Image:Perryville 1600.png]]

*[[:Image:Perryville 1615.png]]

*[[:Image:Perryville 1745.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg Apr2.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg Aug18-19.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg Mar29-31.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg June15-16.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg June21-22.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg June30.png]]

*[[:Image:Petersburg Oct27.png]]

*[[:Image:Pickett's-Charge.png]]

*[[:Image:Richmond-Petersburg.png]]

*[[:Image:Savannah Campaign.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug28.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1000.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1200.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1500.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1700.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1500.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1600.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1630.png]]

*[[:Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1700.png]]

*[[:Image:Seven Days July 1.png]]

*[[:Image:Seven Days June 26-27.png]]

*[[:Image:Seven Days June 30.png]]

*[[:Image:Seven Pines.png]]

*[[:Image:Shiloh Battle Apr6am-2.png]]

*[[:Image:Shiloh Battle Apr6pm.png]]

*[[:Image:Shiloh Battle Apr7.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Dec30.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Dec31 0800.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Dec31 0945.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Dec31 1100.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Dec31 1600.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Jan2 1600.png]]

*[[:Image:Stones River Jan2 1645.png]]

*[[:Image:Wilson-Kautz Raid.png]]

*[[:Image:Yorktown1862.png]]

'''Article(s):''' [[American Civil War]] and related pages

'''Request: Convert to SVG.''' This one is huge, but it's not as bad as it looks. The author has put the source files [http://www.posix.com/CWmaps/ on the web] in FH11 and PDF format. If you open them in Adobe Illustrator, you should be able to save them in SVG format. After that, I would also recommend opening the SVG versions in Inkscape and saving as "Plain SVG". Would do it myself, but I don't have Adobe Illustrator. -- [[User:Ipankonin|I. Pankonin]] ([[User talk:Ipankonin|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ipankonin|c]]) 03:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion:'''

:euh... We can do lot... but that lot it's a bit too "lot" for the moment. So I think this request will not be complete this year. Yug 05:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC) <small>Massive PNG to SVG maps conversion is planed (for 2009 ? 2010 ?)</small>

::Can you guarantee that the author's website with the source files will still be there in 2010? You just have to click ''Save As...'' It's not that hard. It's good mindless clerk work if somebody with Illustrator has time to kill. -- [[User:Ipankonin|I. Pankonin]] ([[User talk:Ipankonin|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ipankonin|c]]) 08:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

:::It's possible to make quick PNG->SVG conversions, but without changing the colors, and the reseult will provide little comparative gains compare to former PNG.

:::But if we want to make a good work with shape check-improvement, SVG simplification (just the dots need), convert the image-text into true text that's about 30 min by maps (download-work-reupload). When we talk about 5 maps, that's a good work to do. When we talk about 60 maps, that's a huge work as to graphists who are volunteers here to have fun. So yes, that's convertible, but I say it clearly : the changes that your request may be satisfied is not high. Yug 06:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

:I'd work on it if I had Illustrator. Maybe you guys can start a collection ; ) [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 06:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

::If you just need a soft to covert PNG to SVG, you can [[Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Software|download Inkscape]]. Yug 06:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/61.228.38.201|61.228.38.201]] ([[User talk:61.228.38.201|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Could I suggest (Since all the filenames are going to be changed) a uniform naming scheme, like "Image:[Ordinal, if need be] Battle of [nameofarticle] (ACW)[(If need be), [Month], [day/dayrange].svg" (A suggestion)? Alsp, you can get the "source" from the original author [http://www.posix.com/CWmaps/ here] in Freehand drawings. This might make it easier. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 08:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

:His source file are in "[[Fh11]]", a format that even the English Wikipedia know nothing about. I just tryed to open one with Inkscape : failed. It will be need to look on google to know if Fh11 is a vector format, and then look for Fh11 to SVG converter. Yug 20:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/210.203.61.15|210.203.61.15]] ([[User talk:210.203.61.15|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::FH is Macromedia/[[Adobe FreeHand]]. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 13:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:::OK, Illustrator CS3 30-day free trial + above files = SVGs. Have a look at [[:Image:First Bull Run Campaign.svg]], which I created from the .ai file available at Hal's website. It was quite easy, and not too time-consuming. I converted all text on paths (and text set in [[Myriad (typeface)|Myriad]]) to outlines, exported to SVG, and did a search-and-replace to make all the remaining text render in Arial. I'm trying out the .FH11 files now. They don't seem so cooperative, but I'm guessing it's only a matter of time ;) [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 22:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

::::Looks perfect except the background shouldn't be transparent. I fixed this one. It's easy enough in Inkscape - it's in Document Properties (ctrl-shift-d). I don't know where it would be in Illustrator. I think the best way to list these is with an indented bullet under the original (see above). Thanks for giving this an attempt; I thought everybody would be too intimidated to start. -- [[User:Ipankonin|I. Pankonin]] ''<small>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ipankonin|Review me!]]</small>'' 08:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::Opaque background doesn't seem to be working. I'll give it a while and then upload a version with a white rectangle behind everything. -- [[User:Ipankonin|I. Pankonin]] ''<small>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ipankonin|Review me!]]</small>'' 10:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

::::::I've done so with [[:Image:First Bull Run July18.svg]]. I'm quite impressed that, even with some text as outlines, the filesize is only one-fifth that of the PNG version. [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 16:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

:OK, FH11 officially tamed ;) How's this? [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 15:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

<gallery><center>

Image:Appomattox Campaign.png|PNG

Image:Appomattox Campaign.svg|SVG from FH11

</center></gallery>

::Uninvolved viewer: except for when I view them directly in Ffx 2.0.0.11, they appear perfect. Clearly MW renders them better. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 19:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

:::This has been my experience as well. SVG always seems to render better than even ultrahigh-resolution PNG images, and it becomes more apparent when the rendered image gets smaller. About this map, there seems to be a difference in the tone of brown for the geography. It looks like it's slightly transparent in the PNG image. -- [[User:Ipankonin|I. Pankonin]] ''<small>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ipankonin|Review me!]]</small>'' 23:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

::::Yes, I noticed that as well; the terrain layer was significantly darker in the source file than in the PNG—maybe opacity information is lost when you import FH11 into Illustrator? Sorry, 68, but I completely missed your naming scheme suggestion above—I'm using the same file names as the PNGs :) [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 12:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::That's OK; for now using the same name will be the best way since it will involve a minimum of confusion. When MW finally is able to pagemove images, we can (WP:ACW can?) come up with a standard nomenclature. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 17:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::::::OK, then, I'll keep hacking away at these. Maybe they'll be done by June :) [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 14:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Thanx; with so many of them and so little actual artistic skills required it's probably quite slow and boring. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Map of [[Annaba Province]], [[Algeria]]==

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<center><gallery>

Image:Oran Province narrow border.svg|An example map for [[Oran Province]] by {{u|Sagredo}}

Image:Image-missing.svg|[http://www.aadl.com.dz/images/Annaba.jpg Map no. 1]

Image:Image-missing.svg|[http://www.aadl.com.dz/images/Annaba2002_fr.gif Map no. 2]

</gallery></center>

'''Article(s):''' Everything in [[:Category:Annaba Province]].

'''Request:''' The same thing as for [[Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve#.C2.A0Map_of_Oran_Province_.28Algeria.29|this request]]: I need a vector version of the maps in the link above (it's the same map) showing the administrative borders of the municipalities and districts of Annaba Province, Algeria, but without he any text, without legends, and with no different colors. Each municipality should be individually selectable. Thanks. -- <font face="Futura, Helvetica, _sans">[[User:Escondites|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#ddd7a3;padding:0 3px 0 3px;background:#aba67e;cursor:se-resize;">escon<span style="color:#ffffff;">dites</span></span>]]</font> 16:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion:''' How many of the 48 provinces do you want to do. If it's many, I think could write an instruction page so any Inkscape newbie familiar with the basic tools could draw one.

It would be fairly efficient, and a very good exercise in working with paths. Plus yielding nice results. I'm horribly backed at present, and shouldn't take on anything additional right now.

The corollary question: Are there some people out there who would be interested in giving this a go? [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 06:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

*I think 6 are already done, and so there are 42 to go... But if you can make a tutorial to show me how to do it, I could probably do it by myself, actually, the only things I can do with Inscape are fill and stoke, writing text and covert it as paths, and making minimal boolean operations, but I'm aweful at freehand drawing! --<font face="Futura, Helvetica, _sans">[[User:Escondites|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#ddd7a3;padding:0 3px 0 3px;background:#aba67e;cursor:se-resize;">escon<span style="color:#ffffff;">dites</span></span>]]</font> 06:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::Freehand drawing skill is not required. It's a matter of just picking points along the border. Don't think curves - zoom in and just pick as many points as required to follow the borders. I was hoping to be [[Tom Sawyer]] painting the fence in [[Huckleberry Finn]], and get several people going on it. Others still might show up, and this may be useful for maps elsewhere. This concept intrigues me, and things that intrigue me get done sooner. I'll get going within a couple of days, and then I just need to stay ahead of you. [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 08:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

:You can generate SVG maps automatically with much more precision than by using Inkscape and tracing a path from a raster image. Use a software such a Ogis2svg, and a PD shapefile. It's faster, requires no skill, and much more precise (it can be as precise as you like up to the precision of the original data recorded). This way you use the true power of SVG; tracing a raster image into an SVG path is pointless IMO, as you can only loose precision never gain any. [[User:Jackaranga|Jackaranga]] ([[User talk:Jackaranga|talk]]) 17:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::And what exactly is Ogis2svg, and what is a PD shapefile? --<font face="Futura, Helvetica, _sans">[[User:Escondites|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#ddd7a3;padding:0 3px 0 3px;background:#aba67e;cursor:se-resize;">escon<span style="color:#ffffff;">dites</span></span>]]</font> 10:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Ogis2svg is software[http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/utils/shp2svg/]. Slashme, Fvasconcellos do speak that language, I don't. I will continue with plan A in case plan B doesn't appear. [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 02:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==Expansion of Russia==

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<center><gallery>

Image:US states by date of statehood3.gif|reproduce image at the link provided and make it chronological moving image like this, but this is not necessary

</gallery></center>

'''Article(s): [[Russia]]'''

'''Request:''' Can someone please reproduce this excellent Britannica image I found of the growth of Russia? [http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3850004bz1.gif] Obviously I can't upload the Britannica image and I also wanted to make it chronological moving image like this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_states_by_date_of_statehood3.gif], but this is not necessary. Best regards,-- [[User:Miyokan|Miyokan]] ([[User talk:Miyokan|talk]]) 07:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion:'''

*the image is a copyvio, and as such I nominated it for deletion. But there is a French remake in PNG - you might want to ask for a source file for that. [[User:Renata3|Renata]] ([[User talk:Renata3|talk]]) 23:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

:'''before the English one is deleted, we will need the text as the French just doesn't do it.''' [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (???)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 01:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::The French version looks like it was drawn as a vector. "Histoire de Russie" has the same png. We should ask the French if they have the original in vector form or unlabeled. Which I will attempt to do with the help of [[Babel Fish (website)|babelfish]]. [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 05:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Meanwhile, I have asked [[User:Astrokey44]], the creator of the mobile map, if he will come lend a hand. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (??? • ????)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 06:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::::The Babel fish transmitted the message. Alas, I am afraid that we havn't an SVG version. But I will ask to [[:fr:User:Pline|Pline]], the creator of this map. [[:fr:User talk:Sémhur|Sémhur]], from the [[:fr:Wikipédia:Atelier graphique|Atelier Graphique]], 10:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:::::There are no SVG version. I have made a blank map version here : [[:Image:Expansion-de-la-Russie-blan.png]]--[[Special:Contributions/82.67.195.236|82.67.195.236]] ([[User talk:82.67.195.236|talk]]) 11:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC) [[:fr:User talk:Pline|Pline]]

::::::I put a thank-you on the French page, with the hope we could return the favor. I have just enough high school French that I can usually tell if Babelfish makes an error - syntax errors are the most common, but I remember the syntax. '''This might be the first either lab has asked the other in this manner. Given the nice and very quick response we received, I would hope that at least one or two others would also visit the [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_Wikip%C3%A9dia:Atelier_graphique/Images_%C3%A0_am%C3%A9liorer&action=edit&section=19 French talk page] and leave a simple Thank you (english would be fine) and user name''' We may be in a way competitors, but it should be friendly and at a high level. The link will take you to the appropriate section, look for my username (preview = previsualisation save = sauvegarder ) The pages have exactly the same layout [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 18:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know why these other images were put up but I requested whether it would be possible to reproduce this [http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3850004bz1.gif] Britannica image rather than work with any of these existing images.--[[User:Miyokan|Miyokan]] ([[User talk:Miyokan|talk]]) 10:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

*'''reply''' my fault, was trying to revive your stale request, won't happen again. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (??? • ????)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:Possible, yes, but there would be several problems. The biggest is that it would most likely result in a derivative which would still be a copyright vio. And take a lot of work. It would be much more work than using the very nice blank map the French were kind enough to bring to us. A thought would also be to look in the Russian wiki. [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8 Russia] and [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8 History of Russia] There is a [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/b/b0/Russian_federation.png very nice map of the whole country], although, or course, with Russian Names, and defining the expansion areas would be very difficult, and it still doesn't show Alaska. [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 18:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::The map [[:Image:Expansion-de-la-Russie-blan.png]] is a derivative of [[:Image:Muscovy-Russia 1300-1796.jpg]], which is up for deletion as a copyright violation, and will thus be deleted also. best not to base any more work on these maps, they are copyright violations, and any derivatives will be copyvios also. [[User:Jackaranga|Jackaranga]] ([[User talk:Jackaranga|talk]]) 15:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

::Eh calm down there, I was about to go and vote as keep. [[User:Jackaranga|Jackaranga]] ([[User talk:Jackaranga|talk]]) 15:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

:Sorry for biting, usually you're in the other camp, so I thought it was you. I am going for a walk, this is driving me nuts. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (??? • ????)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 01:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

::[[:Image:Meyers b14 s0080a.jpg]] may be of some use also, it shows the expansion also for the Asian part of Russia, but is in German and the text is almost too small to read. [[User:Jackaranga|Jackaranga]] ([[User talk:Jackaranga|talk]]) 03:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, that's perfect, seriously, the bottom map provides the right perspective including Alaska, and gives borders that can be traced in the right places, which M. Sagredo is brilliant at, and we can substitute text. Good catch, Jackaranga! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (??? • ????)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 03:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:::random thought, when we do come up with a good map, might be a good idea just to leave it as a template with dates but no language, then each Wiki can add their own. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (??? • ????)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 03:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Crop from an old map.jpg|thumb|250px|right]]

::::Alas, there really isn't enough on the German map to work from. Jackaranga, can your software generate a map of Russia + Alaska with rivers, oceans seas, the present borders of russia, and alaska using the same simple cylindrical projection? 3000 px wide or so. Or do one of the whole world, I can crop and if necessary it wouldn't be hard to cut alaska off the right and stitch it on the

left. Or today's Russia and all the other countries of the region. latitude and longitudes line like the German map. a raster, png.preferred svg is OK, I can convert it if necessary. What the German map does tell me is that I can transform a conic projection into a cylindrical projection reasonably well. I should be able to use the French data and copy the expansion in the west, and use the german map for the east. Then we'll need a translator to figure out what is what.

::::Or given that the original requester seems to has left in disgust, (and likely will never return) we could just label the French map and put it up. And give some thought as to whether or not we should try to limit the inquisition into possible copyvio problems, unless we're fairly sure something is wrong. Assume good faith on the part of the uploader and requester that the copyrights are in order and [[Avoid copyright paranoia]] This has been very bad for the lab and is getting worse. [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 16:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

*I fully intend to make an animated timeline of Russia in the same vein as my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mexico_states_evolution.gif Mexico], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canada_provinces_evolution.gif Canada], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CSA_states_evolution.gif CSA] timelines. It might not happen right now. :P --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] ([[User talk:Golbez|talk]]) 16:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

::That's wonderful to hear. They all look great. If we can be of assistance in any way. please let us know. Thanks [[User:Sagredo|<b><font color ="#009933">Sagredo</font></b>]]^{[[User talk:Sagredo|<font color ="#8FD35D">&#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796;</font>]]} 23:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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