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== level three templates {{tl|uw-v3}} ==

I want to know if anyone feels the same way I do about the "Please stop." in them. To me the "please stop" just sounds like "Please stop, you're hurting Wikipedia, pretty please stop", and it sounds like a violation of [[WP:DENY]], strangely enough I find the ones that go "please stop doing such and such" to be better than the ones that just have "Please stop." as the first sentence, so I propose changing uw-vandalism3 (and similar) to "Please stop vandalizing Wikipedia or you will be blocked from editing" or dropping it all together "Don't vandalize Wikipedia or you will be blocked from editing" or possible something completely different like "Please refrain from vandalizing pages or you will be blocked from editing", and frankly there are a lot of possibilities, I just want to know if anybody else is displeased with the wording of level three templates, and if yes, what should it be changed to? <tt>[[user:Dominik92|The Dominator]]</tt><tt>^{[[user talk:Dominik92|Talk]]}_{[[Special:contributions/Dominik92|Edits]]}</tt> 23:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

:One motivation (if I remember correctly from reading discussions back when) was that the first part of the message should be as simple as possible, because at least some users will be non-English speakers. If they didn't understand (presumably) other messages they should get the later ones. So a really short phrase is a good idea. I mean, compare uw-v1, uw-v2, and uw-v3. 'refrain' is not often in my vocabulary, 'constructive' looks like Latin, and 'vandalizing' looks Dutch. But 'stop' I know in a couple different languages. We want them to get at least this part.

:Then there was the consideration that the admonition should be as polite as possible, while still being to the point. 'Please' is another word they should know, and we're not cursing at them, so we haven't lost our self-respect, even though we're losing respect for them.

:Very probably if you went back into the archived discussions you'd find someone saying exactly the same things you are above. But in combination with all the concerns I think they came up with a workable set of messages. Though, an icon of a knife pinning a hand to a keyboard might've been fun to try out during school times... &nbsp; ;-) &nbsp; [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 03:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

::But if there's a non-English vandal, and he's blatantly vandalizing, he knows he's doing wrong, so just seeing the warning symbol is enough for him to understand that we're asking him to stop doing what he's doing, in this case, the warnings are merely procedure as the person knows that they're vandalizing anyway. I like the idea of the knife though. <tt>[[user:Dominik92|The Dominator]]</tt><tt>^{[[user talk:Dominik92|Talk]]}_{[[Special:contributions/Dominik92|Edits]]}</tt> 04:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:The lvl3 warning is the first of the two stern warnings (if the series has a lvl4). Originally it was foreseen that a new user/clean talk page would receive a lvl1 warning and a returning user would receive a lvl2, then we would go 3 - 4. Unfortunately this is rarely followed these days, along with us taking the moral high ground and trying to educate vandals has gone out of the window and it's almost always 4im warnings that are issued these days.

:I have to agree to some extent with Shenme above whilst we are beginning to say ''"Oi we don't like what you are doing"'' we are still doing it politely. However I can see how it's currently worded could seem a tad 'whiney', though your examples are quite hard and are more along the lines of a lvl4 warning. Make a few suggestions keeping it polite but informing the user of <u>possible</u> repercussions for their actions, and we'll have a look at them. Though what ever change is decided upon it must be across the board. ^{[[User:Khukri|'''<font face="verdana" color=#6633cc>Khu</font>''']][[User_talk:Khukri|'''<font face="verdana" color=#CC66FF>kri</font>''']]} 07:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

::I'd be happy with anything that doesn't use the "please stop" as a single sentence and possibly that doesn't connect the vandalism to WIkipedia as a whole, this makes it seem like the vandal is doing collateral damage, I think "Please stop vandalizing or you might/could be blocked from editing Wikipedia" or "Please don't vandalize or you run the risk of being blocked from editing Wikipedia". Or, "Please don't vandalize or you might lose editing privileges thank you." <tt>[[user:Dominik92|The Dominator]]</tt><tt>^{[[user talk:Dominik92|Talk]]}_{[[Special:contributions/Dominik92|Edits]]}</tt> 22:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)