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Sounds like an updated version of the 1960's service bureau. I would like to see a comparison. [[User:talk|talk]] ([[User talk:talk|talk]]) 11:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.58.152.238|68.58.152.238]] ([[User talk:68.58.152.238|talk]]) </small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: I've added a link to the [[service bureau]] article per your feedback. [[User:SamJohnston|samj]] ([[User talk:SamJohnston|talk]]) 08:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
== Cloud Computing ==
Hey Sam, Anonymous user (John) here. Just wanted to write you a message, though I'm not sure this is the correct place.
You'll have to forgive me, I don't edit Wikipedia that much and the piece on cloud computing was my first real attempt to do so. I just wanted to let you know that the piece I wrote on Dell's attempt to trademark the term Cloud Computing was a good faith effort. I'm not sure about IP2Location, but I tried their "Free Demo" and you are correct, it lists my IP address in Plano, Tx. Why that is, I have no idea. I'm sitting at a desk in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin in the office building of a machining company. I was researching cloud computing for our IT department. I assure you, I do not work for Dell.
I have to admit though, I had laughed pretty hard at the situation, and honestly, I appreciate your zealous protection of Wikipedia's integrity. I understand the internet is a crazy place, and if you don't believe me and you think I'm a malicious employee working for Dell, well, there's not much I can do. Don't worry, I don't blame you.
As for my edit, there were two things I wanted to apologize for.
1.) I was unaware of the general Wikipedia comments with regards to WSJ's opinion section. I'll refrain from referencing it in the future.
2.) I think I worded the article wrong. I state that Dell "staked claim to popularizing the term." Perhaps it would be better to say "Dell has claimed responsibility for popularizing the term" or "Dell has claimed that they were responsible for popularizing the term"
In either case, you should know that I did not mean to imply Dell actually popularized it. Proving that would be impossible, I was merely stating their "claim" is they coined the term, and that they have Trademark rights to ir. I tried to show support for both sides of the argument. Dell's side by providing Google trend results with regards to the search volume of the term measured against a timeline, and the opposing side by providing news sources to the contrary.
As for evidence of the existence an overall controversy, I have to say I disagree with you. Looking across forums and blogs, everything from Slashdot to lowlevel basement bloggers, I have found people arguing back and forth about Dell's attempt to Trademark the term and whether or not it is public ___domain. I believe that such discourse deserves mention on the wikipedia article, although, perhaps I am going about it the wrong way. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction? Let me know what you think!
PS - I probably won't edit anymore from work. I looked up the history of this IP, and it shows this IP made various velociraptor related vandalism edits (Wtf?). I have no idea. The first edit I ever made was with regards to helicopter anti-torque pedals and now this Cloud Computing article.
I'll message you when I'm on my home machine.
[[Special:Contributions/69.222.228.201|69.222.228.201]] ([[User talk:69.222.228.201|talk]]) 21:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)John
: Thanks for taking the time to write John. You can (and should) create an account if you want to keep some privacy and build up a reputation (using bare IPs starts you on the wrong foot and you don't even need to give an email if you don't want to - once you have an account people can't see your IP). Apologies for the false accusation too - you must admit that it is very convenient that of the entire planet and 4 billion IP numbers you should have landed on Dell's doorstep!
:So basically your writing is good but you need to use reliable sources - the more reliable the better. You can read the policy docs (eg [[WP:5P]]) but once you've got the basics down continue to be [[WP:BOLD]] in contributing where you can.
:The Dell issue, while interesting (you can read more about it [http://samj.net here]), is essentially a dead duck now so far as I can tell - USPTO will declare it generic and it will be a footnote in history. I don't have a problem with Dell but I don't see that they've given anything to the cloud computing community, or maybe they have and I just haven't found it yet, and in any case it sounds like they will eventually. It is quite clear though that they pulled the term from the public ___domain and tried to monopolise at least part of it starting back in March last year. They've then let it build up steam where they could have been enforcing it since March as a common law mark - they were already overtly using it!
:I would suggest a concise overview belongs in the legal or history section on the [[cloud computing]] page and/or the [[dell]] and [[USPTO]] pages:[[User:SamJohnston|samj]] ([[User talk:SamJohnston#top|talk]]) 23:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Sam - I understand your point. I think its very valid and the more I thought about it, the more sense it made. To be honest I was already thinking similarly after the second revision. I started thinking, "I must really be on the wrong track here."
Thanks for the pointers. I'll be sure to make an account in the coming days. Have a great night! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.223.206.174|24.223.206.174]] ([[User talk:24.223.206.174|talk]]) 02:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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