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I think part of the problem is that deletion and undeletion are seen as a "big deal". (Technically, only admins can do these things, so I assume that's part of the reason why.) What if these actions were viewed as being closer to "just another edit"? Granted, they're major fairly edits. Still, the worst that would happen is, one person deletes an article, then another person strongly disagrees and undeletes it. At this point, at least it's obvious that it's a controversial issue. If there's still disagreement, rather than engaging in an edit war, interested parties stop and talk it out. After all, everyone follows the [[WP:1RR|one revert rule]], right? Isn't this how normal content disputes should be handled? Why not handle delete/undelete disputes the same way? [[User:Friday|Friday]] [[User_talk:Friday|(talk)]] 23:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Not suprisignly i disagree with both [[User:Tony Sidaway]] and [[User:Dragons flight]] here. I have always understood the "If" caluse to mean "If there is an assertion of notability but you disagree with its accuracy take the matter to VfD/AfD" as AfD is better suited to setter factual disputes. it is not always beter suited to settle policy issues, which is what the qusttion "What kind of statement constitutes a calim of notability" is. Dragons flight says that if anyone disagees with tagging a particualr article that makes the application of the tag "disputed" and the matter should go to AfD. I would say "not always". Insofar as there is a clear policy consensus, a single person objecting to the application of that consensus does not make the kind of dispute that AfD is needed for. "Joe is a really neat guy" is pretty close to the classic example of an nn-bio as described in the original proposal for A7. But soemone might claim that there are too few "neat guys" so being one is notable. IMO that "dispute need not go to AfD. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]] 15:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

IMO "Fred is a good plumber" or "Jane is a first rate professor of history" are no more claims of notability than is "Joe is a really neat guy", and no more create a need to go to AfD, even if soemone disputes this. I tried to lay out in considerable detail what i thought the implications of A7 are, and to get some general policy consenses on what is and waht is not a "claim of notability" at [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Interpretation of WP:CSD A7 (non-notable bios)]]. This discussion had slowed, but not IMO stopped, when it was recently archived. i have just restorted it from the archives, and i suggest that further discussion move there, as this may pe a larger and linger discussion than the pump easily supports, and should ultimately be archived alonge with [[WP:CSD]] in my view. I do hope this excahnge here at the pump will lead to greater participation in the discussion there, (I had announced that on the pump before, but not so well phrased to attract attention). I thank Dragons flight for calling renewed attention to this issue, which i agree is important, and i agree should be setteled by a wide consensus. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]] 15:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)