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== about the redirect from Business Process Modeling to this topic ==
There are currently two articles: [[Process modeling]] and [[Business process modeling]]. This is further confused by the entry for [[Business Process Modeling]] which redirects to [[Process modeling]]. I'd like to remove the exiting [[Business Process Modeling]] redirect. Does anyone object? [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization)]] [[User:Karlhauth|Karlhauth]] 13:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
<blockquote>Update to the comment above. There are not two articles. There is one article and a redirect. --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>▼
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There should be no redirection. Process Modelling and Business process modelling are in some way similar, but they are no way the same. Please leave them separated. {{unsigned2|09:25, April 11, 2007 | 82.131.44.226}}▼
<blockquote>Update to the comment above. The request was to keep things seperate that are not, in fact, seperate. I interpret this to mean "seperate these" things --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>▼
▲::There should be no redirection. Process Modelling and Business process modelling are in some way similar, but they are no way the same. Please leave them separated. {{unsigned2|09:25, April 11, 2007 | 82.131.44.226}}
Business Process Modeling or BPM is the currently accepted nomenclature for business-specific modeling exercises. While process modeling can be executed for anything, there are specific challenges present when working within in the business arena. It would be of benefit to the business community to address those specifics here. {{unsigned2|13:08, April 18, 2007|VSJMortensen}}▼
: Update to the comment above. The request was to keep things seperate that are not, in fact, seperate. I interpret this to mean "seperate these" things --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
▲:::Business Process Modeling or BPM is the currently accepted nomenclature for business-specific modeling exercises. While process modeling can be executed for anything, there are specific challenges present when working within in the business arena. It would be of benefit to the business community to address those specifics here. {{unsigned2|13:08, April 18, 2007|VSJMortensen}}
'''It is not the same.'''' Keep the subjects separate. They are realy not the same.
[[User:Telgeniaal|Telgeniaal]] 10:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
▲<blockquote>Update to the comment above. The request was to keep things seperate that are not, in fact, seperate. I interpret this to mean "seperate these" things --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>
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'''Keep separate.''' The [[Process modeling]] page is general, and this is one of only several meanings/contexts. In order to keep [[Process modeling|that page]] from becoming overlong, this article is best kept individual IMHO. [[User:Davidbspalding|David Spalding]] (<big><font color="darkred">[[User talk:Davidbspalding|☎]] [[Special:Emailuser/Davidbspalding|✉]] [[Special:contributions/davidbspalding|✍]]</font></big>) 16:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Business Process Modeling (BPM) should be kept seperate. While there are obvious commonalities, BPM must take into account human factors and constraints. I, for one, have argued that BPM does not go far enough in taking human constraints into account. Anyone interested in this point of view should contact me directly for the recently releases white paper, "Improving the Business Process Model." --mlefcowitz 11:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mlefcowitz|Mlefcowitz]] ([[User talk:Mlefcowitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mlefcowitz|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:That said, the majority of the content of this topic is wildly misplaced. The contents of the topic are largely duplicative of the Business Process Modeling topic. I would like to suggest that the BPM-specific content be moved to the BPM page, and this page should retain ONLY sufficient information as pertains to process modeling in general, especially as it pertains to manufacturing and chemical processes (which are not covered in the Business Process Modeling topic).▼
:[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 03:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC
=== New subsection ===
▲<blockquote>I would like to add that it is clear, from these comments, that the editors have reached consensus that the term 'process modeling' is not the same as 'business process modeling.' Therefore, we SHOULD remove the redirection from the term 'Business Process Modeling' to this topic. At the same time, we should keep two topics, one to cover process modeling in general, and another to cover business process modeling in specific.
I just read this some more after I made the next talk item. I wanted to express my ideas here first, before I got into other peoples ideas. You are suggesting here, I repeat:
# The BPM-specific content be moved to the BPM page,
# This page should retain to process modeling in general, especially as it pertains to manufacturing and chemical processes.
Now I agree on both suggestions and will proceed to do so sone, because nobody was agains you proposal.
I do think this article should focuss on all process modeling in general. As you said:
▲That said, the majority of the content of this topic is wildly misplaced. The contents of the topic are largely duplicative of the Business Process Modeling topic. I would like to suggest that the BPM-specific content be moved to the BPM page, and this page should retain ONLY sufficient information as pertains to process modeling in general, especially as it pertains to manufacturing and chemical processes (which are not covered in the Business Process Modeling topic).
* Process modeling to manufacturing processes.
▲[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 03:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>
* Process modeling to chemical processes.
And also
* Meta process modeling
* [[Function model]]ling
* Software process modeling
And what ever other fields exist here. I think we can develop a article around this with a general intro and a section about types of process modeling.
-- [[User:Mdd|Marcel Douwe Dekker]] ([[User talk:Mdd|talk]]) 00:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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