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:::I have already spend numerous edits on several articles on [[modeling language]]s here, but I am still not (yet) particularly interested in those modeling tools. My interest is in the different types of modeling languages, their developers, their use, and the whole history of the field. I guess because I also developed a new modeling language on my own. Here on Wikipedia I am interested in improving the presentation of existing modeling languages and their developers. I think modeling languages as any [[new product development]] have an initial phase in which tools are not developed yet... and mayeb it never came that far. They can still be notable. Anyway... if you have particular idea's, which modeling languages could use some more attention here, please let me know. I can take a look!? -- [[User:Mdd|Marcel Douwe Dekker]] ([[User talk:Mdd|talk]]) 20:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::There are hundreds of modelling languages. All you need is two universities, an industrial partner, and a bit of EU funding. You create a website with an impressive ___domain name, and post a few unpublished working papers. If you are persistent, you can get some papers accepted into an obscure conference somewhere, and - Voila - you are notable enough to get into Wikipedia. Frankly, I'd prefer to see a much tougher entry condition for this kind of academic stuff. I am sure a lot of it is very clever, but most of it never gets used, never even gets properly evaluated outside the project team that cooked it up. On the first page of an internet search for "Enterprise Modelling/Modeling Methodology" I found [http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=873824 FIDO], [http://www.eil.utoronto.ca/enterprise-modelling/entmethod/index.html TOVE], [http://bpmnpop.sourceforge.net/ POEM], [http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.56.5267 EM], [http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=820959 MEMO] and a couple of possibly spurious references to [http://www.idef.com/idef0.html IDEF]. Oh, and here's one of mine - [http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rxv/sebpc/enterprisemodel.htm EMM/ODP]. --[[User:RichardVeryard|RichardVeryard]] ([[User talk:RichardVeryard|talk]]) 23:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::So which of these are worthy of inclusion into Wikipedia? The ones that are used and taken seriously by people other than their creators. The ones that are adopted by standards organizations. I am content to think that my obscure research isn't notable enough, but when I see equally obscure research getting Wikipedia coverage I start to get restless. --[[User:RichardVeryard|RichardVeryard]] ([[User talk:RichardVeryard|talk]]) 23:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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