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****** As I wrote earlier, a hand count revealed around 67 bio stubs in Cyprus-stub. I suggest we use the official flag of the Republic of Cyprus (the vast majority of TC's want to be united, anyway) and include both the TRNC and the RC under it, as well as the diaspora (where I am guessing most notable TRNC soccer players are)--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 18:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
******I ''very strongly'' advise that the flag not be used. You might want to have a read of [[Template talk:Cyprus-stub]], to start with, and I can point to a quite a number of other talk pages where that particular battle raged. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|NE-England-School}} & [[:Category:North East England school stubs]]===
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*::::But it isn't how the permcats are organised, but rather by ceremonial county and unitary authority, which are just as "official", and considerably more significant. And in any event, additional per-UA upmerged templates such as {{tl|Stockton-school-stub}} will take care of the strangely-regioned cases. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 19:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
*:::::Very well. I doubt many articles would fall under UA templates. [[User:Computerjoe|Computerjoe]][[User talk:Computerjoe|<span style="color:red">'s talk</span>]] 22:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Hawaii road stub}}/{{cl|Hawaii road stubs}}===
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I'm been creating a couple of new Hawaiian roads as of late and I'm in the process of creating some more. Unfortunately, there's isn't any stub for Hawaii roads and I've been putting them under the US road stubs. I'm considering creating a Wikiproject for Hawaii roads to get people involved with the creation and formation of roads in the state of Hawaii so this is the first step to get the process going. If you need a image stub for the Hawaii road stub, ask [[User:TwinsMetsFan|TwinsMetsFan]] for assistance. [[User:Spongefan|Spongefan]] 17:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
*Please create the template at {{tl|Hawaii-road-stub}}, per the stub naming conventions. Are there 60 of these at present? If not, upmerging to a regional category would be better for the time being would be better than a separate category. Otherwise, sounds sensible enough. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|frog-stub}}/{{cl|Frog stubs}}===
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***Come to that, if the frogs are going to be re-templatised by family, it would seem fairly reasonable to have the frog family templates feed into a {{cl|frog stubs}}, but to skip the generic {{tl|frog-stub}} template. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 20:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
****Note, the tree frog and toad permcats do not correspond to a single family. The old-world tree frogs have been split out to a separate family from the rest but that category contains both and the toad category by its own admission contains not just the Bufonidae, but also other frog species commonly called toads. The differences probably aren't enough to warrant not creating templates, but they do mean that I'm strongly opposed to creating a {{tl|toad-stub}} and opposed (but not strongly or weakly, just opposed) to creating a {{tl|treefrog-stub}}, even as redirects. I don't mind {{tl|frog-stub}} since [[Anura]] itself is a redirect to [[Frog]] and there are several small families that will never have even 30+ stubs as there are fewer than 30 species in them. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 00:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Geology-stub split===
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*I can find [[User:Alai/geology-region|81 possibilities]], which seems pretty promising. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 23:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of {{tl|Indonesia-geo-stub}}===
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*I'd think cats per (top three at present) island/region, and templates per province would be the ideal "forward-looking" solutuion. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
**Note: Java and Jakarta still need separate templates and cats - Jakarta alone has 125, Java excluding Jakarta has 155. Agree with Alai, templates per province. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 05:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|pesticide-stub}}===
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More than 60 stubs for this category - see [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Pesticides&basedeep=5&mode=cs&tagcat=Chemistry+stubs&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&userlang=en here] and [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Pesticides&basedeep=5&mode=cs&tagcat=Agriculture+stubs&tagdeep=3&userlang=en&set-userlang=v%C3%A4lj+spr%C3%A5k here] using CatScan. Coming under agriculture-stub and possibly chem-stub. [[User:Jeodesic|Jeodesic]] 16:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Ethno/native/indigenous peoples stubs===
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:Yes, and yet "natives' are not the same as ethnic, they are a sub-category of Ethnic -- in America there are over 1000's of tribes and nations and we have enough for stub of their own, nestled under ethnic as one subcategory (as in we have enough to subcategorize it already on the tribal levels).[[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 18:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Just in case I was not clear I think we can do both, its all compatible. Its not an either/or situation, I was looking at all the ethnic american stubs, then picturing it world wide. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 21:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of SouthAfrica-geo-stub===
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**Yes, I should have said either 2/3 catting, or 2/3 articles-that-actually-existed then, or a combination of the two. It's possible there will be a fresh db dump Any Day Now(TM), in which event I'll give updated counts. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 00:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
***What image should we use for the templates? Are there outlines of the provinces or any other interesting images for South Africa beyond the flag? Also, I am not sure of the formatting for these, so if someone could start them, I'd happily populate them.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 21:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of sportspeople stubs===
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I suggest a split of the sub categories of sportspeople stubs in a similar way to people stubs i.e {{Cl|Sportspeople stubs by nationality}} and {{Cl|Sportspeople stubs by sport}} as the number of subcats is getting larger (currently 49 and 6 further proposals below) and the order more difficult to keep seperate. It would match more closely with the list of stub types which is split in this way. The only subcat that doesn't fit in either would be {{Cl|Olympic medalist stubs}} which I would propose remains a subcat of the main category. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
*Seems like a good idea to me. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Bolivia-bio-stub}}===
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Bolivia is still missing a -bio template (parent holds 177 articles). Category if / when we reach 60. I didn't do a proper count. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 23:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' both template and category when 60 articles. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 23:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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===Medieval music stubs===
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**Agreed about some of the articles never getting longer than stub length--I asked on Wikiproject::Biography about articles like this and didn't get a response. They're not stubs (in the sense that anyone could do a little work and add to them), nor are they start class even, but they're definitely not B or A class by their definitions. As far as other things go: I'm not sure how to do what Alai proposes, but it sounds like that could be a good idea.
***Basically it'd just mean creating a number of separate stub templates, as usual, but giving them all the {{cl|medieval music stubs}} category, until such time as they're "big enough to be out on their own". (i.e. keeping them upmerged until they're past the creation threshold, as we say in the local jargon). I sympathise about the "permastubs": this seems to be becoming an issue in all sorts of areas. One possible remedy is merging, but how well that's likely to work for medieval musicians (unless a given group are truly closely related in some obvious way) seems unclear. Maybe it's a sign that wikipedia's getting "full"?(!) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 19:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Maritime-trades-stub===
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****I take your point; I didn't want to suggest just {{cl|maritime}}, since using adjectives as category names isn't preferred, though I suppose if the worst comes to the worst, {{cl|maritime topics}} would cover it. But then if we create {{cl|maritime topic stubs}} we'd have a substantial overlap between the two, but no strict inclusion... [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
**You do realise we also already have {{tl|Fishing-stub}} which would cover at least some of that? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 03:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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===US-hoops-bio subcats===
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*I should mention that if we go with "..., 19X0s birth stubs" cats, then the 40s..80s are all viable by a distance, with a big drop off down to the 30s, which was at 41 at last dump. (New dump cycle has started, btw, contain your collective excitement.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
**To which add, {{cl|United States basketball biography, pre-1940 birth stubs}}. Parent's now down to less than a page, basically due to those stubs with no DoB cats. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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===Bavarian geo subtypes===
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::What the heck is a music edge? :) Not for these regions they don't (at present): [[Upper Franconia]], [[Middle Franconia]], [[Lower Franconia]], [[Swabia]], [[Upper Palatinate]], [[Upper Bavaria]], [[Lower Bavaria]]. The districts seem to use the German forms (doubtless due to a lack of any likely English equivalent in most cases). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 23:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Popular material isn't included in German lessons in Danish schools. :) I just noticed that the articles about the districts use German forms except for the names of the see [[Amberg-Sulzbach]]. Perhaps the infoboxes were translated by bot. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 16:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Fencing-bio-stub===
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I Propose {{cl|Fencing biography stubs}} and {{tl|Fencing-bio-stub}}. There are at least 60 articles. The only problem is there may not be enough non bio stubs for a stubs for a cat. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
*Support. It doesn't look like this will empty {{cl|fencing stubs}} to a disgraceful extent, given that it'll thereby have this as a subcat. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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===Canadianfootball-bio-stub===
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*Comment - we use the slightly nonintuitive {{tl|Amfoot-bio-stub}} as a child of {{tl|Americanfootball-stub}} - a similar name of Cafoot-bio-stub would make some sort of sense (not that i really like it or the American football equivalent). As to the category...? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:* that idea made melook at other stub templates, what about {{Tl|cfl-bio-stub}} analogous to {{tl|afl-bio-stub}} for australian rules football. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 23:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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=== 4 foo-sport-bio-stub===
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*{{cl|Swedish sportspeople stubs}} / {{tl|Sweden-sport-bio-stub}}
although I hav not done a full count I am sure all will pass 60 stubs and also be new parents to between 2 and 3 sub categories as well. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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=== {{tl|house-band-stub}} / {{cl|House music group stubs}} ===
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According to StubSense there is 104 potential stubs, according to CatScan from {{tl|band-stub}} there is 95 possible candidates. I suggest upmerged template first to see if there is "too many" false positives, if there isn't, then category too. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 19:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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=== {{tl|house-musician-stub}} / {{cl|House musician stubs}} ===
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CatScan says there is 37 potentials tagged with {{tl|electronic-musician-stub}} in {{cl|House musicians}}. StubSense says there is 260 potential stubs starting from {{cl|House musicians}}. I think truth is somewhere in between. I suggest upmerged template first and optionally category after proper count gives over 60 stub articles. Some articles would be double-tagged with national electronic-musician-stub, but I think that isn't something bad. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 13:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|pune-geo-stub}}===
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:Okay. To cut a long story as short as I can and to combine comments from here and SFD, part of the problem is with the geo-stub, yes, and Maharashtra-geo-stub does need splitting. When it is split (which will probably be very soon) it will almost certainly be split by district. As to a non-geo type for Pune, the main problem is the name of the city and the district are the same. To call it Pune-stub would therefore be confusing, as would calling it Pune-city-stub (which by stub naming would indicate a stub for articles on cities in Pune District). {{tl|PuneCity-stub}} would get round that, and would be used double-stubbed (i.e., articles would receive that and another stub template - for example a stub on a university in Pune would receive both Pune-stub and India-university-stub). The main question that remains is whether a separate PuneCity-stub would have enough stubs if a Pune-geo-stub was used for all articles on geography in Pune District, since it is usual in those cases not to double-stub an article with the city stub (places in New York City, for instance, get NewYork-geo-stub - NY State's geostub - but not NYC-stub). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 08:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::District or division? The existing subtype of Maharashtra-geo-stub is Konkan-geo-stub, for the [[Konkan Division]]. Of course with Pune, we have the complication that Pune is the name of a [[Pune|city]], a [[Pune District|district]] and a [[Pune Division|division]], altho thankfully not of a taluka. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 23:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Calvinism stub===
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*'''Support modified proposal'''. Plenty of stubs to include. I almost proposed this one a few weeks ago. [[User:Blarneytherinosaur|Blarneytherinosaur]] [[User_talk:Blarneytherinosaur|talk]] 03:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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===Surprisingly Absent Basketball Terminology===
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::Agreed, altho unless the article is going to include information about the origin or other history of the term, a link to the Wiktionary entry would be better. <code><nowiki>[[wikt:airball]]</nowiki></code> will produce a link to the Wiktionary entry on [[wikt:airball|airball]]. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 05:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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===[[:Category:European football biography stubs]] split===
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*'''Support''' categories are close enough and templates seem viable size wise. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 07:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I have gone ahead and started making cats. [[User:Poulsen|Poulsen]] 06:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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===[[:Category:Italian football biography stubs|Italian]], [[:Category:French football biography stubs|French football biography stubs]], split===
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*Makes sense. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
**'''Support''' . [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 07:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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===European politicians===
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:* I agree that it probably should be skiijumping and not skijump, I also have no problem with using crosscountry as opposed to XC it's just that when you have a nation split the template becomes very large but then that not a big problem. Using nordic skiing instead of XC would not be a good idea because nordic skiing also encompases ski jumping, biathlon, nordic combined but as a parent for these cats I think would be useful
I back a proposal for biathlon but suggest {{tl|biathlon-bio-stub}} in case there are any people who are known for there involvement in biathlon without necessarily being biathletes (coaches, organisers, announcers etc). I also back {{Cl|Sports shooters biography stubs}} but should the template be at {{shootingsports-bio-stub}} (the events are categorised under shooting sports) or {{tl|sportshooting-bio-stub}} (the people involved are categorised under sport shooters). [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 11:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Syria sports===
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***The scope of WPJ Syria is Syria (unless I've very much mistaken), and there's already a {{tl|Syria-stub}}, so the "30 clause" doesn't apply here (otherwise, I'd apply everywhere). So, I'd suggest upmerging, as above. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
*I believe the category is likely to be populated with 60 and more stubs in time. There are still hundreds of uncreated Syrian sport biography articles which are when created, most probably going to be stubs. That is if there aren't already 60 or more uncategorized articles out there. By the way, I've moved the stub template to the correct page - {{tl|Syria-sport-stub}}. - [[User:Anas Salloum|<font color="Black">'''''A''n</font><font color="Grey">as'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Anas Salloum|<font size="-4">talk'''?'''</font>]]</sup> 08:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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*A stub for all the organists that are currently in {{tl|keyboardist-stub}}. A quick look on the Wikiproject [[WP:PipeOrgan|PipeOrgan]] '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject PipeOrgan/Article List#Organists|here]]''' will show the current list of organists, marked with '''stub''' as appropriate (there are still about 50 organists still to add to this list which may/not be stub class. Current estimate is around 85-100 articles. –[[User:Mdcollins1984|MDCollins]] (''[[User talk:Mdcollins1984|talk]]'') 00:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
*:I think this is a good idea. [[User:Computerjoe|Computerjoe]][[User talk:Computerjoe|<span style="color:red">'s talk</span>]] 23:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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===2000s singles subtypes===
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I won't try to give counts; not only is the data I have now about six weeks old, there's also much undercatting (the musicistas don't seem to be much into genre cats, so instead these languish until they get a "by artist" cat (which is then genre-ised in turn), which can take some time... [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Support.[[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 15:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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===baseball pitcher subcats===
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:: '''comment''' Reading [[WP:ASR]] or [[WP:STUB]] doesn't convince me that WPJ specific additions to stub notices are discouraged. [[WP:ASR]] says it doesn't apply to stub notices and [[WP:STUB]] contradicts itself on stub layout guidelines. Only thing sure is that every stub creator is allowed (by first exception in [[WP:STUB]]) to use common sense when applying formatting to the stub template layout. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 16:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::If you're telling me it's a "sure thing" that "avoiding self-references" means "add as many as you like", and that some alleged inconsistency in [[WP:STUB]] means that the whole thing is null and void, I can only assume you're taking advantage of "the day that's in it". [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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=== {{tl|electronic-band-stub}} / {{cl|Electronic musical group stubs}} + {{tl|Germany-electronic-band-stub}} ===
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About 150 stubs (~600 stubs including children) according to StubSense, with 2 existing child stubs. Category name sounds weird, but that's what the child stubs already use. With my usual self-oppose I suggest upmerged template for Germany (about 40 stubs) just to make sure I can speedy it later if it gets the remaining stubs. If I would care about speedy proposals (usually I just create them out-of-procedure), I would use it in this case. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 16:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Juggling===
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::Just in case you're asking me: I'd be fine with any stub template that contains the word juggling, really. —[[user:Kncyu38|KNcyu38]] ([[user talk:Kncyu38|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kncyu38|contribs]]) 05:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/stub_sense?category=circus+skills&num_pages=300&dbname=enwiki According to stubsense], that would seem to just about be viable (as an upmerger target for the juggling stub template or otherwise). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of Egyptian people stubs===
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Templates and categories for: {{tl|Egypt-politician-stub}}, {{tl|Egypt-writer-stub}} (Haven't done a precise hand count, but definitely have enough).
Just templates for: {{tl|Egypt-footy-bio-stub}} and {{tl|Egypt-mil-bio-stub}} (same as above but definitely do not have enough yet to justify a category)--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 18:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Backpacking-stub===
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I've moved this to {{cl|hiking stubs}}, per usual naming conventions, and adjusted the categorisation somewhat. Time is supposed to be five days, but if this is populable to 60 (or perhaps even 30, given the WPJ), I don't see any problems. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|The Gambia geography stubs}}===
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*'''Support''' of course. Just wait until you see the number of geo-stub splits that I can propose in a week woo hoo![[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 12:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong support for speedying''' I don't see a reason to wait for a category in this situation.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 18:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Pinball stub===
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:Actually that's 100 articles, both stub and non-stub in that category. StubSense reports [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/stub_sense?category=Pinball+games&num_pages=4000&dbname=enwiki 43 pinball-related stubs] of which [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/stub_sense?category=Pinball+computer+games&num_pages=4000&dbname=enwiki 16 stubs] are for pinball computer/video games. In theory, everything pinball related should already have {{tl|arcade-stub}}, since pinball games is a subset of arcade games. I'll admit that it would be nice to have a clearer separation between video arcade games and (electro-)mechanical arcade games, but given the relative numbers of articles and stubs, I think it might be more useful to create {{tl|arcade-videogame-stub}} as part of a splitting off of the video arcade games so as to avoid having pinball and other gaming machines with mechanical action (such as coin-op pool tables) fall unintentionally into the video game hierarchy. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 22:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
::Looking at it, that seems just fine. My main concern was just getting some semblence of standarization, since pinball machines are one of those things that don't fit all that well into other categories. But "arcade" covers it well. I may want to revisit this if/when the pinball pages actually grow to require it, but this well satisfies my current concerns. Much thanks. [[User:Fractalchez|Fractalchez]] 20:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Illinois-geo sub-types===
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:That last one might be better named {{cl|Metro-East geography stubs}} since apparently [[Metro-East]] is the local name for that area, variously with and without the hyphen, tho the wiki article uses it. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 22:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::Excellent idea. It seems a bit variable as regards county membership, as well as hyphenation, but nothing a little explicit scoping statement won't prolong^Wcure. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Bangladesh history stub===
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****I think I got what I was looking for. Thanks [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] for the template. Sorry, [[User:Alai|Alai]], that I got your question wrong. The answer would be 68 stubs at the moment, and growing really fast (I may have overlooked a few). Even more sorry for not knowing there was one Bangladesh history stub cat already. But, it was not referred to on any page at all. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 03:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
*****Not a problem. On the basis of there being > 60, support "un-upmerging" of template to {{cl|Bangladesh history stubs}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of Cricket-bio-stubs===
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{{tl|Canada-cricket-bio-stub}} / {{Cl|Canadian cricket biography stubs}} (63 articles)<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Ethiopia-athletics-bio-stub===
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Upmerged template has 63 articles propose {{Cl|Ethiopian athletics biography stubs}}<br>
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===China-footy-bio-stub===
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* Support. Follow the geographical scope of {{tl|China-sport-bio-stub}}. - [[User talk:Privacy|Privacy]] 07:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===UAE-bio-stub===
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**I wasn't sure about the name but other bio-stubs are at fooian rather than foo i.e {{cl|Chinese people stubs}} not {{cl|China people stubs}} and the permcat is {{Cl|United Arab Emirati people}} so I took my lead from there. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 10:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
***In light of that, '''support.''' [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 01:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Trinidad-(sport-)bio-stub===
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:While neither {{cl|Caribbean people stubs}}, {{cl|West Indian cricket biography stubs}}, {{cl|Caribbean boxing biography stubs}}, {{cl|Central America and Caribbean athletics biography stubs}}, nor {{cl|Trinidad and Tobago stubs}} is even close to being overlarge, I'd prefer creating {{tl|Trinidad-bio-stub}} and {{tl|Caribbean-sport-bio-stub}} first or at least at the same time as {{tl|Trinidad-sport-bio-stub}}, simply to avoid the problem of having stubs skipping generations. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 18:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::That is similar to what i meant but I don't know about {{tl|Caribbean-sport-bio-stub}} as it would possibly give a national template a specific sport template and a third caribbean-sport template all on one page, not pretty. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Bermudian sportspeople===
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* '''Support''' for Bermuda-stub, bio-stub, and templates for the rest.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 18:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
**Can i just point out I wasn't proposing all just listing some possible splits. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Various airport sub-types===
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:As long as you don't give it the template {{tl|China-airport-stub}}, I won't complain about the proposed stub category. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 05:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I'd suggest {{tl|PRC-airport-stub}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of {{tl|Iran-geo-stub}}===
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***I tried to talk to Wikiproject Iran about this, but the people who replied to me simply insisted that the current provinces are the only subdivision of the country. They claimed there were no regions, etc that we could use as intermediate levels between national / provinical boundaries. Go figure. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 03:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
****I reserve the right to ignore 'em, at least in case of provinces with two-part names, where the second parts are all identical, and the first parts are "East", "West", "North", "South", etc. :) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|SouthAm-musician-stub}} and {{tl|SouthAm-singer-stub}} / {{cl|South American musician stubs}}===
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Don't seem to exist, would be catchall category for South American musicians that don't have more specific stubs, if there is not enough for own category for both, would suggest upmerging -singer-stub so atleast musician stub would be viable. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 23:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
*Works for me. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|asia-band-stub}} / {{cl|Asian musical group stubs}}===
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*Support, seems very logical. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 21:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
*Support from me, too. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|European musician stubs}}===
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Musicians oversized, no country seems to hit threshold, lumping by continent would give 93. (In this case, there's even a permcat: {{cl|European musicians}}.) Africa is bubbling under in the 40s. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
* '''strong support''' with usual caveat of making upmerged templates for biggest countries that don't have own category yet. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 12:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Paleontology sub-types===
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I think these were mooted in passing on a previous occasion, but for clarity I'll air them here again. (Parent oversized again.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. In fact, I think I may have suggested it last time. The reptile one will allow a natural parent for dinosaur-stub a(and hopefully stop people adding that template to pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and ichthyosaurs). May have some problem with synapsids, though, since there are two schools of thought as to whether they were "real" reptiles or a separate reptile-like group. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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***[[Napa County]] wouldn't be classified as a wine region and it would be a tremendous rarity to ever see ''Napa County'' listed on a wine bottle. [[Napa Valley (wine)|Napa Valley]] on the other hand, is a legally defined [[American Viticultural Area]] and can thusly be considered a "wine region". AVA's and AOC are distinctly classified and thus little concern for overlap. [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|<sup>Cheese</sup>]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|<sup>Wine</sup>]] 02:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
****Okay seeing there is a precise wine region definition, I can agree, thank you. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 09:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|room-stub}} and <s>cl|architecture - room stubs</s> {{cl|room stubs}} ===
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*If I'm following you here (and I do stress, if), then shouldn't this simply be {{cl|room stubs}}? What potential population? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
**Sorry if I was not clear. Yes we can simplify to {{cl|room stubs}}. Looks like about 50-70. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 03:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|arch-style-stub}} and <s>cl|architecture - style stubs</s> {{cl|architectural style stubs}} ===
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*May I suggest that {{cl|architectural style stubs}} would follow the language of the permcat a tad better? And be a sensible category name, to boot? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
**Sure. I can be more sensible. Thank you [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 03:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Civil-engineering-stub}}===
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:For the record the category proposed is {{cl|Civil engineering stubs}} [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 04:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Papuan languages===
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:Do they speak that oddly in Pittsburgh...? :/ [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 01:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:: I can archive the category as a consensus to create. However, I cannot with a conscious archive "pa-language-stub" as a clear consensus. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 06:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Thai-geo subtypes===
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:::::Ok I am in consensus. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 04:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
*Support and will help sort it. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 13:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Irish sportspeople stubs}}===
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:'''Support''' would also be a parent for {{cl|Republic of Ireland football biography stubs}}but what about {{cl|Northern Irish football biography stubs}} which is a subcat of a subcat of {{Cl|Irish people stubs}}. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::If you can tell me exactly what the scope of {{cl|Irish people}} is (other than "deeply muddled"), I might be able to answer that. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Euro political party sub-types===
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:Possibly the Scandanavian one, but a quick glance at {{cl|Europe political party stubs}} convinces me that there is some considerable undersorting into the existing subtypes. In any case, the former Yugoslav one should be considered only after all other options have been exhausted. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 07:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. I don't see the relevance in the "Scandinavia" group (without going into that the defintion of this groups is still a bit tricky). Scandinavians understand each other peoples' languages and have similar cultures but that's about it. There is next to no policy coordination between the Nordic countries and no formal bonds between the parties either. The Nordic Council never had any power and it will never get it. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 15:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Bird sub-types===
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*Well, if we're going by order, then bird of prey is out (especially since falconiformes would cover much of it) - it could easily be hijacked by the star trek project if we weren't careful, too! :) Mind you, that would also rule out anatidae and anatoidea since IIRC they're anseriformes. Given that, I'd go with Galliformes, Anseriformes, and Falconiformes. Keeping to the [[Bird#Bird_orders|order level]] might be appropriate for a while, at least. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 11:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Butterfly sub-types===
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Parent is at exactly 800 stubs at present. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:Wow I can't beleive there's so many butterflies ... support! [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 20:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Senegal-footy-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Senegalese football biography stubs}} ===
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::It was probably the right thing to do, but waiting for the approval period is standard. Please hold off next time as a just in case sort of thing - there have been a few times when I'm sure and then a user points out something I haven't thought of yet. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 13:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I can't promise you that, in the case of football biography stubs. They have so concrete a structure, that the only real task is counting to 60. [[User:Poulsen|Poulsen]] 16:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Euro-FC sub-types===
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Parent is oversized, these seem to be viable. ({{cl|Yugoslav football clubs}} is next closest at 47.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:Wow, that thar's a lot of undersorting. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|art-historian-stub}} / {{cl|Art historian stubs}} ===
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*'''Support''' per nom as one who is responsible for some of that double stubbing. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 19:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
**note I have nothing against double stubs (I take that approach too) it just will be neater and nicer ! [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 21:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Gulf of Chiriqui===
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:If that's a stub you wish to create, and your account is too new to allow you to do so yourself, you're probably looking for [[WP:AFC]]. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 21:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|IR-stub}}===
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:'''delete''' for being ambiguous. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 05:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::{{tl|criminologist-stub}} could be merged into {{tl|criminology-stub}}. {{tl|law-enforcement-stub}}, {{tl|forensics-stub}}, and {{tl|prison-stub}} would be subcategories of {{tl|criminal-justice-stub}}. If really necessary, I could probably find 30-60 stubs to create for each... the topic is that underrepresented. But don't have the time to do that now, and it's better to do them more gradually. And such arbitrary requirements are just that... arbitrary. For now, I just won't bother tagging them as stubs, because lumping all these together under {{tl|crime-stub}}, especially for criminology topics, is not useful for people working on the articles. --[[User:Aude|Aude]] <small>([[User talk:Aude|talk]])</small> 21:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
:::: I think the first task is to sort the crime stub articles into the 5 (or more) existing categories, then see how many are have left over, since Carewine mentioned there are 450 undersorted crime stubs, a good sort may clean it right up into good condition again? [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 05:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|China-geo-stub}} further split, Alai solution===
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*** Why should [[:Category: Mainland China geography stubs]] be deleted, skipped and ignored in the first place? - [[User talk:Privacy|Privacy]] 07:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Film terminology stub===
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*'''Support''' We do have several stubs under film-stub that could do with this sub sorting. I am not sure about the stub-type name. I leave it for someone more experienced to decide. [[User:Hoverfish|Hoverfish]] <small>[[User talk:Hoverfish|Talk]]</small> 22:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. As for the name, we do use X-term-stub for some things such as geographical terms (and I think the same for geology). I realise they're hardly that closely related to film, but at least it gives a precedent for that type of stub name. Perhaps a {{tl|film-term-stub}} with a redirect at {{tl|video-term-stub}}, leading into {{cl|Film and video terminology stubs}}?
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