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#:* It is not the task of servers to ensure consistency within articles. What server-side date-formatting automation ''does'' do is allow editors to disregard existing date-formatting conventions. Proponents for date markup sell this as an argument for "more choices". But what they really want is a license to say "what do I care what dateformat, engvar, era, citation style is in use? I'm going to use my preferred one, and the technology should sort it out!" Needless to say, that is outrageously inconsiderate, and – from a technical point of view – myopic.
#:Summary: There is no "problem". Ergo, there is also nothing that requires a "solution". The original date-formatting solution (DateFormatter.php) was implemented to quell edit warring over date style. In the meanwhile we have gotten a fairly robust MOS guidelines for that and other style issues, and DateFormatter.php is no longer necessary. We don't need another hack to replace the first hack. We need editors to conform with MOS, which is a "site-wide standard" already in place. If anons/newbies fail to adhere to that "site-wide standard", then we can have a bot clean up after them. If established editors persistently refuse to adhere to that "site-wide standard", then we ought to community-block them (Arbcom decisions on style warring are a precendent). MOS rules, and the community doesn't need [[WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT|endless drama]] over non-problems. -- [[User:Fullstop|Fullstop]] ([[User talk:Fullstop|talk]]) 13:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
#'''Weak oppose.''' I originally voted 'support' because I think more customizability is generally better, and because the predominant "MMM DD, YYYY" date format feels like a case of American cultural standards being imposed on the rest of the world, and that makes me uncomfortable. {{user|Phil Bridger}} and others convinced me that that is not actually the case, and that, if anything, this change appeals mainly to Americans who can't cope with Continental date conventions. I'm also convinced that using even lightweight markup to dress up something as fundamental as a calendar date is ultimately confusing for new editors, and we should not be taking the encyclopedia that way. At this point, I think that while a bit of date markup like <nowiki>{{date|2009|04|07}}</nowiki> might still be useful for tasks like building sortable tables, it should not be made the standard way to express dates throughout the encyclopedia. [[User:Twp|Tim Pierce]] ([[User talk:Twp|talk]]) 14:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
=====I am neutral on the general concept of autoformatting=====
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