Talk:St Volodymyr's Cathedral: Difference between revisions

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AlexPU, I certainly have seen enough of you jumping the gun and turning rude on the opponents, announcing what you "demand", "tolerate", "won't tolerate" and "instist" both before and after your wikibreak. Let's try to solve this in a collegiate way, whenever possible, by sticking to the issues and keeping our attitudes to ourselves while possible. The issue here is a narrow one. Whether the fact who owns the the building is related to the building article (it is IMO) and whether the fact that the major orthodox cathedral in Kiev is operated by the organization whose belonging to the Orthodoxy is not universally agreed is notable do be passingly mentioned. We certainly don't have to present the long debate of Filaret's KP canonicity in this article but just to say a word about the status issue is worthy. Similarly, we are not talking about the "seizure" or whatever it is called and we don't take sides. We say that there was a controversy related to the building and link a reader who wants more to a more detailed article. More details on these issues is available above. Please make sure, you read what was already said. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 01:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== Recent Edit war ==

It looks like we have three points of differences:

#Inclusion of the canonical status of UOC-KP. I think it is relevant (for the reasons outlined by Irpen) but does not belong to the first paragraph of the article. I have put it to the second last paragraph, next to the controversy of the ownership, I think it is reasonably balanced

#Link to [[Ukrainian opera]] instead of [[opera]]. I think if the article Ukrainian opera existed, it would be much more informative to link to it, but since it is a red link now, then I used the AlexPU variant of a simple opera link. The red link may be an inspiration for somebody to write the long overdue article (that is '''important''', taking into account all these ''Padu li ja dryuchkom propertiy il' mimo proletit dryuchok''-kinds of jokes), so my edit is disputable

#AlexPU finds the end of the article to be POV ''by the magnificent singing of one of the best church chorals. The choral is often joined by opera singers, providing an unforgettable listening and spiritual experience to St Volodymyr's visitors''. We could put hedging here: ''by the signing described by many as magnificent'', ''reported as providing an unforgettable listening and spiritual experience''. So far nobody wend ahead and told us, "the singing is cacophonous, the experience is dull, etc..", why do we need to balance the article with POV that does not exist? [[User:Alex Bakharev|abakharev]] 07:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The last but not least, the talk page is to discuss editing of the article on the Cathedral. It is not intended to discuss [[User:Alex Bakharev]], [[User:AlexPU]], [[User:Irpen]], etc. Please discuss the users somewhere in the Userspaces, not here [[User:Alex Bakharev|abakharev]] 07:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)