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Please see the above, need help there. --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 21:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
== [[Template:Ice hockey]] ==
See: [[:Category talk:Indianapolis Ice]], I know that the banner isn't changed yet to WPBM and they don't use the FQS, but the current settings are not putting the 'NA' class articles, like categories, into a NA-Class category, instead they're all going into Unassessed articles. Since this is a totally protected template, can you fix this for us? Thanks --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
:please also change the cat names in the following code to the updated, standardized ones, using List-Class Ice Hockey articles and NA-Class Ice Hockey articles.
:<nowiki>|NA=[[Category:Non-article Ice Hockey pages|{{PAGENAME}}]]
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|List=[[Category:List-Class Ice Hockey pages|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
::Probably easier just to convert it. Do you want to write the code in the sandbox, or I could do it ... — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
:::I've just done a WPBannerMeta [[Template:Ice hockey/sandbox|sandbox]] version, but it still needs a little more work & checking before it can be used. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 07:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I think it's ready to go now. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
:Since [[:Category:Automatically assessed Ice Hockey articles]] is completely empty, I propose to remove the auto= parameter from the template. --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 17:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::This should be on all templates as now and then we send bots through to asess...and then eventually people go through and adjust manually. You should also bring these things up at the talk page for the actual template. Being that the template belongs to you know a specific wikiproject. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 18:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:::(edit conflicts) While that would be appropriate, please keep [[WP:OWN]] in mind. —[[User:Ms2ger|Ms2ger]] ([[User talk:Ms2ger|talk]]) 19:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I didn't mean belong in the own sense. I meant belongs as in its a template to tag articles used by that project. It seemed like this was an end road around asking what a specific project wants to do with the banner it uses. I only mention it because I notice he keeps changing projects banners and a number of projects put alot of work and discussion into whats on their banners so its bad form to change them without discussing it. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he (she?) is only trying to help (noticed the error in your template which started this whole thread!), but I have had to mention this eagerness to change settings without consultation. I agree that [[Template talk:Ice hockey]] is the place for these discussions. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 00:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well thank you Martin for sticking up for me!! (and it's a she, not a he.) Yes, it is correct that the project's template in its previous form <u>did not work correctly</u>, which was my purpose & goal in getting it fixed in the first place. You have to forgive me because sometimes I'm too eager to <u>get things fixed quickly</u>, having no patience sometimes with the "decision by consensus" process, since the definition of a committee trying to get a consensus can sometimes be: "A body that keeps minutes and wastes hours". Secondly, concerning the discussion at [[WT:HOCKEY]], will you please let me know how much time is the "proper" time to allow, considering that members have said, "then that is not bad" to adding the FQS, before an action can be taken? (So that I can avoid being criticized for wanting to get the job done.) Thank you, I appreciate it. --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 04:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's not quite as straightforward as you think. I've replied at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey]]. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Proper time for any kind of major change that affects many articles, as a banner change does is usually 7 days, just like an afd as not everyone edits every day. WP:HOCKEY is probably one of the most organized wikiprojects on wikipedia so they (we) are big on discussion, very rarely do major changes happen "overnight" so to speak. Some take months, the odd one years. There is no rush to fix things like this, very few people I would guess find articles via the assessment categories except other editors. To be honest when you first posted that it was broken I went and checked but didn't see the error you were talking about, so as far as I could see it was working correctly. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think I see what you are calling broken now, you were putting a Category class into the template when we don't use Category class which is why it was putting it into unassessed. That was actually working correctly, we want incorrectly tagged banners to go into unassessed so we can fix them. Because you used the Category class you incorrectly tagged the article. The article was already tagged NA so I am not sure why you tried to change it to Category class anyways. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, it was behaving somewhat erratically because it was displaying "Category-Class" but it didn't categorise in this way. You would expect the categorisation to match the classification, that's all. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it would have displayed anything you typed in as a class. Didn't have a fail safe in it to prevent incorrect tags. I didn't do the original coding as I still haven't fully figured out wikicode. I mostly just maintained what was there when we changed things. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:How exactly is the auto parameter supposed to work? If it is placed on the talk page within the ice hockey template, it is only duplicating what the class=Stub is doing. Does the auto parameter in the WPBM code place an article's talk page into the automatically assessed category, right away, when the ice-hockey-stub template is used on the article's main page? If so, then I can see the use for the category. If it doesn't, then the auto assess category and the auto=yes parameter are just duplications of what the class=Stub parameter is doing, and it then requires you to use both the class=Stub and auto=yes, which is redundant. --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 19:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::The auto parameter is used when a bot goes through talk pages and sees that another project has rated the page as a stub then it automatically assumes that the hockey project also thinks it is a stub. The page is than rated as a stub by the bot and placed in the auto=yes category meaning a human didn't decide that the article was a stub. At which point humans go through and confirm if the page is a stub or not. Remember different projects can rate articles at different levels. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:So it doesn't work off the main article page's stub template, it still has to be placed as an addition to the WP ice hockey template? Then, in that case, it's usefulness is limited to talk pages that have already been tagged by the project, but have not yet been rated for the quality scale, and that have been tagged by another WP project as a stub, with ice hockey having included the auto parameter? --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 19:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yes it works on pages already tagged with Ice hockey and that are unassessed. The bot goes through and it checks other projects tags to see what the other projects have asessed the article as. It then changes the assessment on the ice hockey template to match the other wikiprojects and sets auto=yes so that we know it was a bot that changed the assessment and not a human. Basically so a human can come along later and review the bots assumptions. It is used basically to speed up the assessment process so we don't have so many unassessed articles for so long. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, then I withdraw my rqst to eliminate the category; however, I request that the full quality scale be added to the template. Thanks --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 19:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yup, that will be up to the outcome of the discussion that was started at WP:HOCKEY. Full scale is up to the projects themselves, especially when it comes to the template classes etc because some projects use categories to group templates on the actual templace space page instead of on the talk page. Which allows for a more broken down category tree. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, but I explained the advantages of adding FQS at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey#Full Quality Scale to Project Banner Template]], because it will allow you to check if any templates are missing from [[:Category:Ice hockey templates]], by comparing the two categories side-by-side by using ([[:Category:Template-Class Ice Hockey articles]]). --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 20:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
== Category prompting ==
When constructing banners with large numbers of taskforces, it is useful to construct as "main taskforces", check the categories exist, and then "hook" them. Obviously the hooked ones come in tens, so it would be helpful if templatepage would prompt for the categories of 10 taskforces. Is there anything I have overlooked? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ah. I'm now triggering [[:Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls]] with all these ifexist calls. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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